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Old 11-13-2011, 07:37 PM   #301
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Anyone know where the pricing is for these vehicles?
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:39 PM   #302
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Anyone know where the pricing is for these vehicles?
there are a ton of strings currently running on this subject with everyone giving their best SWAG ranging at this point from low 40's (HA) to 80's! (HAHA)
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Old 11-13-2011, 08:22 PM   #303
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Order placed 3days ago 11/7 at MSRP. I can now go an can cancel previous order from the 3rd for the 5 digit # over MSRP the dealer was trying to gouge me on!

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there are a ton of strings currently running on this subject with everyone giving their best SWAG ranging at this point from low 40's (HA) to 80's! (HAHA)
I'm so confused by this behaviour; Guy says he bought at MSRP, everyone buying a car, yet nobody knows how much it's going to cost them.

Before I bought my 2SS; I waited until one was available to test drive, then waited until I could get the MSRP and dealer pricing from APA. Then I negotiated from there. Yes I waited a few extra months (received it in May instead of March or April), but I got the best possible price.

Is it just me, am I missing something here or is this the way people buy cars nowadays (no pricing available)?
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Old 11-13-2011, 08:30 PM   #304
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I'm so confused by this behaviour; Guy says he bought at MSRP, everyone buying a car, yet nobody knows how much it's going to cost them.

Before I bought my 2SS; I waited until one was available to test drive, then waited until I could get the MSRP and dealer pricing from APA. Then I negotiated from there. Yes I waited a few extra months (received it in May instead of March or April), but I got the best possible price.

Is it just me, am I missing something here or is this the way people buy cars nowadays (no pricing available)?
A. Some just don't care what the price is, they want one and they want it now.

B. Others have a limit in our heads (like me)...and we're confident enough in our own purchasing power and our predictions that we've grabbed an order for one of these hard-to-find cars while we could. Yet while it's a generous price limit...we all are prepared (and able) to cancel should price go WAY north of our expectations.

Some have other reasons...but I have to imagine the majority fall in column a, or b, above...

Pricing? Many have it in writing that they will not be charged over MSRP...whatever that is. And it's the principle here more than the number...

As far as test-driving...there's plenty of Camaro's out there, and this one is going to be a really, really, really, really, really fast SS.

I think it largely boils down to people scrambling as quickly as they can because of the '12 Z's very limited availability given the demand for one and half the MY being over...
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Old 11-13-2011, 08:33 PM   #305
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A. Some just don't care what the price is, they want one and they want it now.

B. Others have a limit in our heads (like me)...and we're confident enough in our own purchasing power and our predictions that we've grabbed an order for one of these hard-to-find cars while we could. Yet while it's a generous price limit...we all are prepared (and able) to cancel should price go WAY north of our expectations.

Some have other reasons...but I have to imagine the majority fall in column a, or b, above...

Pricing? Many have it in writing that they will not be charged over MSRP...whatever that is. And it's the principle here more than the number...

As far as test-driving...there's plenty of Camaro's out there, and this one is going to be a really, really, really, really, really fast SS.

I think it largely boils down to people scrambling as quickly as they can because of the '12 Z's very limited availability given the demand for one and half the MY being over...

well said, but I think you missed one or two really's...
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Old 11-13-2011, 08:37 PM   #306
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I'm so confused by this behaviour; Guy says he bought at MSRP, everyone buying a car, yet nobody knows how much it's going to cost them.

Before I bought my 2SS; I waited until one was available to test drive, then waited until I could get the MSRP and dealer pricing from APA. Then I negotiated from there. Yes I waited a few extra months (received it in May instead of March or April), but I got the best possible price.

Is it just me, am I missing something here or is this the way people buy cars nowadays (no pricing available)?
He just bought at a promise of MSRP...whatever MSRP ends up being, nothing less nothing more. It is just up to each individual, some want an early production or a chance at one and they are OK with the price being unknown, others like yourself want to know the car and price first. I think most honestly believe the start price will be between 50 and 60 and are willing to chance it to be one of the "first to own" (I probably fit that catagory, but the price isn't as imporntant to me). Also, keep in mind most of the people who have orders in without the pricing also know if it comes out at some crazy price they can back out and wait for better prices down the road or buy something else...or nothing at all. Most dealers will give the deposit back and sell the car to someone else unless they ordered something out of the ordinary...I don't think your missing anything...it is just individual preferance
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A. Some just don't care what the price is, they want one and they want it now.

B. Others have a limit in our heads (like me)...and we're confident enough in our own purchasing power and our predictions that we've grabbed an order for one of these hard-to-find cars while we could. Yet while it's a generous price limit...we all are prepared (and able) to cancel should price go WAY north of our expectations.

Some have other reasons...but I have to imagine the majority fall in column a, or b, above...

Pricing? Many have it in writing that they will not be charged over MSRP...whatever that is. And it's the principle here more than the number...

As far as test-driving...there's plenty of Camaro's out there, and this one is going to be a really, really, really, really, really fast SS.

I think it largely boils down to people scrambling as quickly as they can because of the '12 Z's very limited availability given the demand for one and half the MY being over...
I figured there would be a group A.

Grop B makes sense if they can back out of the deal when they know what the price is going to be. Didn't know if that was possible. I guess I prefer to see all the cards before I make my bets.

As for limited avail.; There's been a lot of back / forth regarding limited production. Is there a max. production that may be reached or is it in fact a limited edition vehicle?
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:06 PM   #308
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I figured there would be a group A.

Grop B makes sense if they can back out of the deal when they know what the price is going to be. Didn't know if that was possible. I guess I prefer to see all the cards before I make my bets.

As for limited avail.; There's been a lot of back / forth regarding limited production. Is there a max. production that may be reached or is it in fact a limited edition vehicle?
In a nutshell...the company has to estimate how many will be sold in a given time period, much like they had to do in 2008 with the first cars.

Based on this estimation, they dole out ZL1 guide numbers (which represents the number of Zs a dealer can order for the 2012 MY) to the dealers. It is a finite number for the period, because franchise laws hold them to this plan.

Given that half the MY is over, and what I have to assume are estimations based on the economic-forces the price will dictate, their estimations of production are low for right now...making it hard to get a car. To have over 3 ZL1s allocated to a dealer is fantastic news right now...some dealers get zero.

But there has not been any indication of a capped production number for the year...and it stands to reason the MY '13 ZL1s will not suffer from this issue, either...
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I think the word they are using is "controlled" production... which doesn't constitute a limited edition or limits on production...
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called my dealer today... expect 7500 - 8500 over a fully loaded 2SS which is starting at 42k... (: 2 more days!
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called my dealer today... expect 7500 - 8500 over a fully loaded 2SS which is starting at 42k... (: 2 more days!
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he knew his allocations back in july... i think they know the price... (: als when i see this posted by someone else who said the same is when i clarified it(:
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Then he is lying to you on two counts. :(
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but he did know his allocations he said three thats why i put my deposit down back in july...
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I found out last year it was going to be $80k/cdn, which is now, ummm... $80k/US. LOL
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but he did know his allocations he said three thats why i put my deposit down back in july...
Good guess?

I'm telling you Drake, and maybe you're just going to have to trust me...they don't know pricing. None of them. Even if they had contacts within GM who were slipping information...they're still just guessing.

And it would have been impossible to have known for sure what his allocation would have been months before they decided on an allocation plan. I have no idea who this dealer is...but I already don't like the smell of them...
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perhaps... but i mean they were right and got three... its all legit bc i have an order number and i built my car and im at 1102 also the other two people who i know personally put there deposit down back in july as well... js idk im just goin off of that they knew alot of things ahead of time... thats all im saying...
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i think it did get leaked... people know and just arent saying it bc it will be formally announced on wed or thur at the auto show... i believe it got leaked... i wasnt even supposed to know but since my sales rep is a god friend he told me what was said by the GM in the noon meeting today... to talk about the zl1
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perhaps... but i mean they were right and got three... its all legit bc i have an order number and i built my car and im at 1102 also the other two people who i know personally put there deposit down back in july as well... js idk im just goin off of that they knew alot of things ahead of time... thats all im saying...
All that means is they have at least three ZL1s for a guide number. Hopefully...otherwise there's going to be some pretty P.O'd customers at that franchise...

It has no bearing on their knowledge of price...and based on the number they provided you - I think it supports my theory that they are...respectfully...full of $h!t...

It's mildly upsetting to me to hear of a dealer without enough integrity to just say "I don't know, yet"...the truth.:(
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All that means is they have at least three ZL1s for a guide number. Hopefully...otherwise there's going to be some pretty P.O'd customers at that franchise...

It has no bearing on their knowledge of price...and based on the number they provided you - I think it supports my theory that they are...respectfully...full of $h!t...
like i said i respect your theory... it is just comforting that i have a range or possible range... im getting this regardless but the less it is... is more saved... im having my FAITH again lol (:
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Does seem a bit weird, however I still ordered mine but people willing to pay over MSRP, I bought my Pace Car ahead of time when I couldnt find any anywhere and they were going almost $60000, I got mine MSRP and now I was looking into selling it and it appears most I will get is a couple thousand more than I paid for it, now those are limited to 500, 50 going to canada and 50 festival cars and I have to wait years for this to be worth anything more. Regarding the ZL1 its going to be badass but in 1-2 years will it be worth even near what we are going to pay(for those who care), you know 2013 the ZL1 conv will be out than who knows after that!!! Just my thought!!
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Does seem a bit weird, however I still ordered mine but people willing to pay over MSRP, I bought my Pace Car ahead of time when I couldnt find any anywhere and they were going almost $60000, I got mine MSRP and now I was looking into selling it and it appears most I will get is a couple thousand more than I paid for it, now those are limited to 500, 50 going to canada and 50 festival cars and I have to wait years for this to be worth anything more. Regarding the ZL1 its going to be badass but in 1-2 years will it be worth even near what we are going to pay(for those who care), you know 2013 the ZL1 conv will be out than who knows after that!!! Just my thought!!
You are dreaming if you think you will get 2k more than you paid for your pace car. You would have a better chance of buying a ZL1 at MSRP and turning it for more $$$.
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ordered mine today #PZVJ58, but wont show up in tracking system? Does it take a few days to be able to track?
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ordered mine today #PZVJ58, but wont show up in tracking system? Does it take a few days to be able to track?
Did you register with GMconnects?

It took mine a whole hour to upload data into the system.
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