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Old 10-28-2011, 02:14 PM   #151
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I never said you or anyone was wrong, did you just happen to ignore the rest of my post?
Nope, I read it.....and you're correct...you never said that, but others have..so to you sir, I apologize.

I'd also like to know why I was banned from a section without an explanation as to why.
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Old 10-28-2011, 02:18 PM   #152
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- Electric power steering
- Lightweight 20x10-inch (front) and 20x11-inch (rear) racing wheels (satin black)
- Brembo® six-piston front calipers, with two-piece front rotors, and four-piston rear calipers (Chevrolet Official Licensed Product)
- Dual exhaust outlets with ZL1-style active exhaust and diffuser

These items show weight loss and or power gains, any guesses of how much?
About 30 lbs over (under?!) the 1SS 20s/Pirellis/1-piece rotors...and about 10 hp, max. (5 or 6 in exhaust [as per Vette], a few from the P/S).

However, as good as MR is, it's also a lil bit "weighty"...+ 6/4 Brembo calipers, fr/rr...
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Old 10-28-2011, 02:40 PM   #153
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Then build it yourself. It's not going to happen unless it's close to the same price as the ZL1.
Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too. But that's just me making assumptions. We'll have to wait and see.
Over the last several months, with input from some "in the know" folks, in the Z/28 Section we've "created" a wet-sump'd LS7/HD Tremec/HD driveline/BIG-braked/ZL1 wheels-tires/enhanced FE4 canyon-carver that "could" Curb about the same as a 1SS without "wishful thinking" materials/costs. Final result = 3850, roughly. MR would weigh more...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...149090&page=55

55 pages and counting. Feel free to visit/contribute, y'all...
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Old 10-28-2011, 05:19 PM   #154
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Whatever they call it, i really like it!
Make that bad boy in synergy green, and i might have to trade up!
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Old 10-28-2011, 05:42 PM   #155
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Over the last several months, with input from some "in the know" folks, in the Z/28 Section we've "created" a wet-sump'd LS7/HD Tremec/HD driveline/BIG-braked/ZL1 wheels-tires/enhanced FE4 canyon-carver that "could" Curb about the same as a 1SS without "wishful thinking" materials/costs. Final result = 3850, roughly. MR would weigh more...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...149090&page=55

55 pages and counting. Feel free to visit/contribute, y'all...
Now, if only GM would listen to us and build the damn thing.

I've kept the faith long enough......get it done already.
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Old 10-28-2011, 07:20 PM   #156
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Hmmm, black side mirrors, black splitter, black spoiler. Where have I seen that before? Looks great!

Edit: I'm a noob, wannabee car enthusiast and already have a minivan at my disposal! I'll shut up now.
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Old 10-29-2011, 04:47 AM   #157
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This concept should be an option as it always has been on previous models. This would be a great step towards an almighty Z/28, right behind the ZL1 .. The production would make more sense since it uses ZL1 components and can push more cars through without switching the line up. This should lead to a Z/28 that is a competitor directly with the Boss 302 LS which is around 48k. Epitome of a Z/28 should be a LS7 with forged 19s, weight reduction (sport seats, rear seat delete, light weight battery, simple exhaust system, and the titanium rods in the LS7 . All the rest of the components would be from the parts bin. Validate the car with the LS7 and sell them for 49k.

Afterthought, I know that this being a badass Camaro it would be low 50's. But the Camaro has always been a little bit more than the Mustang, to me and this is an opinion the Camaro is built a little better and has the styling hands down well worth the extra to me. Maybe I'm the only one that thinks the ZL1 should cost a few grand over the competition due to the performance and technology.

And the 2011 GT I had cost me less than my SS and that is fact..
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Old 10-29-2011, 07:09 AM   #158
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Afterthought, I know that this being a badass Camaro it would be low 50's. But the Camaro has always been a little bit more than the Mustang, to me and this is an opinion the Camaro is built a little better and has the styling hands down well worth the extra to me. Maybe I'm the only one that thinks the ZL1 should cost a few grand over the competition due to the performance and technology.

And the 2011 GT I had cost me less than my SS and that is fact..
It's a great afterthought. The SS has independent rear suspension - the Mustangs do not. So based of the cost differences between models in the same class between the makers - we can expect the ZL1 to cost a little more than the GT500 and this possible Z28 to a little more than the Boss 302.
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Old 10-29-2011, 07:31 AM   #159
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Really sweet package but how about a bump in hp say to 450-470 range.
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Old 10-29-2011, 08:49 AM   #160
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It's a great afterthought. The SS has independent rear suspension - the Mustangs do not. So based of the cost differences between models in the same class between the makers - we can expect the ZL1 to cost a little more than the GT500 and this possible Z28 to a little more than the Boss 302.
Exactly and with the ZL1 with MRC, independent rear, multiple coolers, ptm, and numerous other things you can't get on a gt500, why not be willing to pay the cost to have an American icon that rules the muscle car segment.

The Camaro for me is more than a "car" it's a way of life . I'm not a brand loyalist or fan boi. I only put cars I own in the sig that are pertinant to the site
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Old 10-29-2011, 08:52 AM   #161
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Really sweet package but how about a bump in hp say to 450-470 range.
This is a really good point. With eps and new exhaust it will not be able to compete with the Boss. That's why I'm all for them installing a handbuilt LS7.
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Old 10-29-2011, 10:50 AM   #162
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yup, just read about this 1LE on autoweek. So this is the Z28, huh...
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Old 10-29-2011, 12:21 PM   #163
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I would expect this 1LE option on a SS to be comparable to a Boss. And a Z/28 comparable to the Boss LS. Both costing 2k to 4k more than said competition. Thinking about this I know it will not happen due to the fact GM wants to sell units and with a "real Z/28" being a niche car I doubt them ever producing one on par with the Boss LS, which would necessitate a LS7. Which by the way would not be rated at the vettes 505hp but then again I would not mind a 480hp LS7 in a Z/28
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Old 10-29-2011, 12:51 PM   #164
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yup, just read about this 1LE on autoweek. So this is the Z28, huh...
We can cross our fingers and hope not. I commend GM for taking the steps towards what we are asking but only time will tell. As for me I will wait for a carbon edition ZL1 convertible. Since it doesn't seem like this will be a very limited production run on the ZL1 I might as well wait to see what the rarest version will end up to be.
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Old 10-29-2011, 12:58 PM   #165
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That thing is so nice.....
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Old 10-29-2011, 01:09 PM   #166
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That thing is so nice.....
Nice first post.... But I would figure that since your info says 2012 ZL1 you would have posted your six digit first....
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Old 10-29-2011, 01:24 PM   #167
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would have been nice to see that rear end black like the ls7 concept..

anyway if it's the poor's man zl1 as the new z/28; i'm in ! i really like it. the black hood does it for me.
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I like the wheels. They'd be perfect if they were chromed.
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Old 10-29-2011, 04:28 PM   #169
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would have been nice to see that rear end black like the ls7 concept..

anyway if it's the poor's man zl1 as the new z/28; i'm in ! i really like it. the black hood does it for me.
Yes! I said the same thing about the rear in the Z28 threads.
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Old 10-29-2011, 04:36 PM   #170
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I'm still hoping at some point a version of this gets the green light so I can add the quad exhaust to my SS. I don't know why I like it.
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Old 10-29-2011, 07:17 PM   #171
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Old 10-29-2011, 09:00 PM   #172
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would have been nice to see that rear end black like the ls7 concept..

anyway if it's the poor's man zl1 as the new z/28; i'm in ! i really like it. the black hood does it for me.
I guess if I got this, I'd have to change my name to PoorMansZL1.
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Dump the magnetic ride control and the bigger brakes. Neither are needed.

Bump the output about 25 rwhp, Make sure there is no bushing side deflection, no wheel hop, and no understeer.

Sell it for $40,000, make the back set optional, put in real cloth sport seats, and slap on a Z28 badge. I will be first in line.

This would be a car in the true spirit of the original Z28.
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Old 10-29-2011, 11:51 PM   #174
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would have been nice to see that rear end black like the ls7 concept..

anyway if it's the poor's man zl1 as the new z/28; i'm in ! i really like it. the black hood does it for me.
I like the thought of the LS7 and the direction of the idea. The Z/28 should never be considered a poor mans ZL1! To me the Z/28 needs to have track prowess. The lineage and heritage is already in place. Quite honestly it is sacralidge to call this the Z/28.

Here is my question. So people with a SS think that MRC, bigger brembos, eps, big sticky tires and some lighter wheels, and a new exhaust is going to be a direct comparison to the Boss?

I don't want to be a naysayer but this will not trump the Boss in this configuration. For some odd reason I want GM to decimated all direct competition. For now we know the GT has the SS beat not by a huge margin but big enough to know stock to stock the GT will win more than it will lose. Now if they made the SS at the same weight of the GT the 5.0 would mean a lot less than it does now.

We have seen this done by GM on the corvette with the Z06 it is the biggest bang for the buck in its segment. You don't hear many people saying make me a vette that performs like a f430 for 60k. But when it comes to the Camaro everyone wants a car that will stomp a mud hole in the Boss for 40k. And how I see it is that you have to pay the cost to be the boss... No pun intended

This whole concept of the Z/28 appealing to the masses is skewed. The Z/28 has always represented a tamed down version of the true race cars from the SCCA Trans Am series. In the first gens the Z/28 was not sold in masses with 1969 being the big production year with 20k units produced that's why they are highly collectible now. It seems like most here are into appearance more than raw performance. Which personally I think the Camaro has the muscle car segment wrapped up when it comes to looks.

For me the Z/28 should not only stomp a mud hole in cars like the Boss, but shoot for cars like the BMW M3 and Porsche Cayman. Why should we settle for anything less from GM? With a car on par with this sort of company it can drive the premium that will be slightly more than the Boss LS. Making it have that sort of appeal will make reviewers from the press give Chevrolet a huge boost in free promotion. Kinda like the 5th gen when it first hit the scene it had reviewers in awe because it out performed all close direct competition (Mustang and Challenger). Just imagine if it had the bragging rights of knocking the fabled M3 off its pedestal. Like the Z06 & Cts-V has done in recent memory shooting for cars far more expensive and knocking them out in the first round.
Just as I expect the ZL1 to dominate the Gt500 and cars like the Clk63 BS....
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Love it.

Hopefully more colors though, I would love to see that in . ABM!

Or IBM with just hash marks and not the flat black hood.

That would be a show stopper though in ABM with all else as is in the pics.
Iam with you Russell......the flat black would have to go.....had a car once with a hood that color....it was more of a PITA then its worth, and wouldn't have another car painted like that.....EVER.
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