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Old 12-16-2011, 10:17 PM   #26
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It's a 14 second difference on a 13 mile track. They very well could run the same time with the same driver, on the same day, under the same conditions.
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I'm not sure why more people don't get this, they only seem to think HP/weight is important. It's not the only thing.
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I'm not sure why more people don't get this, they only seem to think HP/weight is important. It's not the only thing.
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This is why I am hesitant to trade up for the new 2013 GT500 because who to say they wont put in a crazy dual clutch auto, electronic diff, DI, flex fuel, ect the following years and then have to trade up again. I kinda wish Ford, Chevy and Dodge would throw the kitchen sink at these car's and focus on styling instead of upgrading parts I cant easily swap every year. Good for them bad for us car nuts that have to have the latest and greatest offerings.
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ZR1 0-60 3.3 seconds from motortrend
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Lol at M5 having a chance with equal drivers. Some of you people are too funny.
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:04 AM   #36
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:13 AM   #37
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Says the guy driving a 300C
I like 300C's more, but id rather have a Cadillac over a BMW anyday.
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:48 AM   #38
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It's a 14 second difference on a 13 mile track. They very well could run the same time with the same driver, on the same day, under the same conditions.
That 14 second difference is after countless runs to get that time. That 14 seconds is a world of difference. Just like the Zl1 is within 19 seconds of the GTR, And some Viper ACR, ZR1, and Z06 Carbon times. Does that mean the Zl1 will "very well could run the same time with the same driver, on the same day, under the same conditions"? Probably not a chance in hell.

The point is that just small differences in time on the ring are substantial, and it separates classes of cars and supercars.
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ZR1 0-60 3.3 seconds from motortrend
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Lol at M5 having a chance with equal drivers. Some of you people are too funny.
Except for the tiny little issue of this thread being about the zL1, not the zR1....
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That 14 second difference is after countless runs to get that time. That 14 seconds is a world of difference. Just like the Zl1 is within 19 seconds of the GTR, And some Viper ACR, ZR1, and Z06 Carbon times. Does that mean the Zl1 will "very well could run the same time with the same driver, on the same day, under the same conditions"? Probably not a chance in hell.

The point is that just small differences in time on the ring are substantial, and it separates classes of cars and supercars.
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Old 12-20-2011, 08:10 AM   #41
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Old 12-20-2011, 08:59 AM   #42
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My money would be on the M5, and ill tell you why.

The M5 puts up z06 numbers. 0-60 in 3.7 (the z06 is about that, around 3.8) and the 1/4 at 12 flat, where the z06 does it a tad faster at 11.9. They both trap around 122-125.

Why does this matter? Chevy cant have their much larger ZL-1 outperform their 100k z06 (which has the z07 package, im using MTs numbers from the latest best drivers car comparo)

Itll be close, but the M5 will be slightly faster.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:28 PM   #43
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Couple months ago we a few of us were at the track playing with one of my buddies 2010 Z06 automatic.Between 4 of us NO ONE was able to get out of the 12's.

I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.
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Old 12-20-2011, 01:55 PM   #44
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I say it will most likely be a drivers race. I can see the Z pulling off a win in a 1 mile run. One the Z hits 150 and starts developing down force, she will just hunker down and start pulling on the BMW ...
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Old 12-20-2011, 03:17 PM   #45
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I say it will most likely be a drivers race. I can see the Z pulling off a win in a 1 mile run. One the Z hits 150 and starts developing down force, she will just hunker down and start pulling on the BMW ...
.... until the Z runs out of steam at 184mph vs 200+mph for the M5.
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.... until the Z runs out of steam at 184mph vs 200+mph for the M5.
And who is ever going to go this fast?
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Old 07-28-2012, 08:25 AM   #48
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Well, I can give the results of a chance encounter in Nevada. *Evil Grin*

But it solves my quandary on what to put on the custom plates.
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It hard to understand, but the M5 has been running times faster than the ZL1 in the 1/4 mile. But the ZL1 will put up faster times on a road course.

Here is an example from Car and Driver testing.
M5 - 11.9 @ 123 mph
ZL1 - 12.3 @ 118 mph

But it's become fairly common knowledge that the ZL1 isn't a 1/4 mile monster. It seems to be more setup for a road course.
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So based on its on track performance and a few part stampings, the ZL1 really is the Z-28. I guess not having a NA motor is what dictacted the name change.
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