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Old 11-01-2011, 04:59 AM   #1
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Question beckyd need clarification: NOV ZL1 ALLOCATION

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Maybe I can clear up a little confusion. Right now the dealers can create orders through Quick Order. It will give you an order #. That number is good all through the process. On November 3rd the other system we can use, Order Configurator will be available. The end result is the same. Both systems can be used to create orders. There's no reason the Quick Order doesn't allow a sold order to be created, unless perhaps they didn't submit the customer name and address with it.

What you need to understand is that the dealer can create as many stock or sold orders as they want. The real factor is the allocation because any order created goes nowhere until it's placed against the allocation. So a dealer can have 50 ZL1 orders, and an allocation of 3. Only 3 cars are going to get built. This is the same process that the 2010 Coupe and 2011 Convertibles went through. Until the initial demand was eased up and then the sold orders could be submitted and processed with allocation.

There's going to be all sorts of stories about markups and dealers that lied to customer, same stories we've heard before. If anyone has questions, just ask them, someone here has been through it or knows the answer to it.
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"OCT. 24 - Allocation number... This will be the number of ZL1s the dealer can order. It does NOT mean they can order that many right away. They are alloted to the dealer. The allotment cycle used to run Thursday to Thursday (check for updates Friday morning). So the next allocation cycle is October 6th-13th... a dealer is alloted so many orders that cycle. They get ther allocation cycle a month at a time (October) So lets say they get 4 allocated for October... and there are 4 cycles (weeks) in October... it could be 4-0-0-0 or 0-0-0-4 or 1-1-1-1 or 2-0-2-0... and so on. Get it? They will only know 1 month at a time."

My Questions still.
"It does NOT mean they can order that many right away."
Truth or false?

"So the next allocation cycle is October 6th-13th... a dealer is alloted so many orders that cycle."
Truth or False?

Is this the mystery why some dealers can't order now even though they state they have been allocated 5 zl1's?

Does it mean just because a dealer has allocation they STILL cannot at this time submit a successful order until a later date?
Do you feel because of this statement "It does NOT mean they can order that many right away." is why Me and 10 others are now in limbo even though we have been promised a allocation spot?
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Old 11-01-2011, 06:32 AM   #2
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I’m for sure no expert on this but as I understand it nobody has actually placed an order with GM. These ‘order numbers’ are just placeholders in the system until the real order is placed with GM. As Becky said, 50 of these orders can be created right now but only the allotted number per dealer will actually go through to GM. The order numbers are real, but they haven’t been accepted by GM and won’t be until each dealer gets their allotment.

I’m pretty sure my dealer won’t even be putting my order in the ‘quick order’ system – they are just going to wait until their allocation comes up (so that all the details with ordering / options are ironed out) to enter anything. My options will be down on paper but not in the computer system. It doesn’t really concern me in the slightest that I don’t have an order number at this time. It doesn’t really matter from what I can gather. These numbers are the equivalent of a saved ‘shopping cart’ or ‘wish list’ on a website – doesn’t matter until you click ‘order’.

I don’t know when the allocation cycles begin – when GM will actually start accepting orders, but that hasn’t actually happened yet to my knowledge.
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The dealers have already been issued their allocations. They can as of last saturday place the order for those allocated cars and it is carved in stone. If the dealership can't give you an order number then I would check somewhere else.
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Correct, they know how many they will be able to order. They can’t at this time place the order with GM. As Becky said above:

“The real factor is the allocation because any order created goes nowhere until it’s placed against the allocation. So a dealer can have 50 ZL1 orders, and an allocation of 3. Only 3 cars are going to get built”

These order numbers people are listing represent the ’50 orders’ created… the real ordering takes place once each dealer gets their allocation. If your dealer is honest you shouldn’t have any issues, but at this time if you have an order number it doesn’t really matter either way – it is a personal preference of the dealer. You could have been the first person to get an order number on Saturday but your order might be the last accepted by GM – sometime in the future.
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Ok... Obviously my post wasn't clear....

The dealer can input the orders in the system NOW. That has no bearing on when GM will pick them up.

I'll use my dealer for example. The got 3 allocated 2012 ZL1 Camaros. Those 3 orders can all be put into Workbench TODAY. They will sit there, at event code 1100 untill the desler's concensus period comes up. It could be ANYTIME between mid November and end of the model run (June-ish)

They could also enter a 4th order... and a 5th.... 6th.... Whatever. BUT unless they earn more, they would sit there indefinitely. Only a shady dealer would input more orders than they have allocation BUT it does happen!

Dealers should start finding out their first concensus numbers soon... Maybe your dealer gets a first month concensus.... maybe they don't. They will only know one month at a time. All they know right now is how many total FOR 2012 model year build out.

That help any?
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These are the only allocations for 2012. They are only making 1500 for the year. They will not be able to earn anymore allocations except for the 2013 models which will include a convertable version.
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yes. bottom line is if they tell someone they cannot submit an order atm they are lying, period.
That confirms what becky has said, and what youve told me, and what I have been telling others.
I think it depends on their definition of an order? Maybe they don’t see creating an order now as valid because it won’t immediately be accepted by GM?



If you explain all of this to them and they still don't seem to be on the same page then I would worry. Just make sure there isn’t a communication barrier.
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Paul... where are you coming up with 1500? Is this IN PRINT FROM GM? If not, it's I don't believe anyone knows how many there will be. I asked my dealer, he asked during the Q&A with GM reps and their answer was... "let's just say there will be LESS ZL1s than there are Chevrolet dealers". To just say 1500 is misleading and unless you can source that info to GM, is speculation.

Ted... If your dealer will not input your order, something is fishy. They should have no issues putting it in and getting you a 6 digit number. Even if the don't have an allocation, they could still enter it. The system will not block them out if they don't have an allocation. I'm sensing something going on behind the scene they aren't telling you.
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I thought workbench only allowed you to put in orders for what you were allocated?

Is this not true?
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Old 11-01-2011, 08:10 AM   #10
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Not true. This wouldn't really be fair.

Take my 2009 order. I ordered and they didn't have an allocation. I was event code the day I walked out but they didn't get an allocation for me for 5 weeks.

There is nothing except morals keeping them from over ordering.
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I was the first to order at my dealership so im not really concerned but that is concerning knowing that the dealer can get only 2 allocations but tell "us" they have 4 and all 4 of us go down and place orders... 2 of us will not be happy campers. If that is the case then, do they go by what orders were placed first you think? or is it random?
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First two ordered get cars... unless the dealer feels #3 is higher priority customer.

Dealers can be VERY VERY shady. When I ordered mine, I watched EVERYTHING he did. I know I was #12, I know what status the other 11 before me were at, I knew where they stood on allocations... all before I gave him a dime. My order went EXACTLY as he said it would. BUT there can be some real scum sucker desler's out there.

If you got one... but say your number one and I go in and say hey dealer owner... I'll give you $20,000 over sticker for two ZL1s... what would he do??? The ethical dealer would say I'm sorry, they are sold. The scum would take the money, put them in as 1 and 2 and you'd be SOL.

Hopefully none stoop to that level but it could and has happened!
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Paul... where are you coming up with 1500? Is this IN PRINT FROM GM? If not, it's I don't believe anyone knows how many there will be. I asked my dealer, he asked during the Q&A with GM reps and their answer was... "let's just say there will be LESS ZL1s than there are Chevrolet dealers". To just say 1500 is misleading and unless you can source that info to GM, is speculation.

Ted... If your dealer will not input your order, something is fishy. They should have no issues putting it in and getting you a 6 digit number. Even if the don't have an allocation, they could still enter it. The system will not block them out if they don't have an allocation. I'm sensing something going on behind the scene they aren't telling you.
There are 2500 chevrolet dealers. Take less then half of them out and add up the amount of allocations. You will end up with 1500 as this comes from a very reliable source. I can say that I trust my source but everyone can believe what they want.


Below is what it says on the dealer gmlaunch.com.

How many Camaro ZL1 models will be produced?
Chevrolet will produce a number of ZL1 models less than the number of Chevrolet dealers (final production numbers will not be determined until the model year production run is completed in Summer of 2012). It is expected there will be high demand for this highly anticipated, high performing Camaro. An estimated production guide number was created to assist dealers in setting proper expectations. Your individual dealer’s estimated production guide number can be found on the home page of this Camaro website.

How was the Estimated Production Guide Number developed for the Camaro ZL1?
The Estimated Production Guide Number calculation is based upon 50% of all Chevrolet dealers' total retail sales and 50% of all Chevrolet dealers’ Camaro retail sales for the previous 12 months ending September 30, 2011.

What if my Estimated Production Guide Number is zero?
If your dealership’s guide number is zero (0), or you wish to submit orders over and above the dealership’s calculated guide number, you are welcome to do so; but processing priority will be given to orders for dealers with remaining, unfilled calculated guide numbers. Chevrolet does not guarantee placement of these orders for dealers. Furthermore, dealers should not accept sold orders from customers in excess of their Estimated Production Guide number.
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I asked my dealer, he asked during the Q&A with GM reps and their answer was... "let's just say there will be LESS ZL1s than there are Chevrolet dealers".


That is the same response I received from a source who has been completely accurate with every piece of information regarding the ZL1 that the source has provided to me. Therefore, all we really know at this time regarding 2012 ZL1 production is that there will likely be less than ~3,000 2012 ZL1 Coupes produced.
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At the end of 2010 there were just under 3,100 Chevrolet dealers in the U.S.

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Take less then half of them out and add up the amount of allocations. You will end up with 1500 as this comes from a very reliable source.
There was a lot of hand waving with the above statement -- take less than half and add up the allocations? What allocation numbers did you use to arrive at 1,500?

The 1,500 number could, in fact, be correct, but you have provided no reasonable basis to support it, other than stating that it comes from a very reliable source, which we have no way of verifying.
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A dealer can order as many ZL1's as they want to. They will only be able to "place" as many as their guide #. Ordering and placing are 2 very different things. An order is not a commitment to produce a car. "Placing" the order will move it into the system, and then it will get built. All of the other orders will sit.

Dealer gets a guide # of 7 and takes orders for 10 ZL1's. There's going to be 3 very unhappy people. The orders can be submitted now, but won't go anywhere until the allocation is available to the dealer to "Place" it.

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First two ordered get cars... unless the dealer feels #3 is higher priority customer.

Dealers can be VERY VERY shady. When I ordered mine, I watched EVERYTHING he did. I know I was #12, I know what status the other 11 before me were at, I knew where they stood on allocations... all before I gave him a dime. My order went EXACTLY as he said it would. BUT there can be some real scum sucker desler's out there.

If you got one... but say your number one and I go in and say hey dealer owner... I'll give you $20,000 over sticker for two ZL1s... what would he do??? The ethical dealer would say I'm sorry, they are sold. The scum would take the money, put them in as 1 and 2 and you'd be SOL.

Hopefully none stoop to that level but it could and has happened!
Quick question in regards to when allocations get picked up. Let's just say that there is no shady business like you describe. My dealer has 2 allocations for the model year per GM. Do you know what the determining factor is as far as when those are picked up in relation to all the orders submitted across the country? Is it a first come, first serve system based off of the order number or is it dependant on the size of the dealer and volume they do (or some other factor)?

Of course, if a customer changes his/her order at certain phases of the process, that would move them more to the back of the line. I'm just trying to understand how GM determines the order in which allocations are picked up.

BTW, my order number just changed to 1102, whatever that means
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1000 Order On Hold at Dealership
1100 Order Placed at Dealership
1101 Order Entered into System
1102 Order Entered via Web
2000 Order Accepted by Chevrolet
2001 Order Generated to Dealer
2005 Order Replaced with GM Prospec Order
2030 Order Edited by Chevrolet
2050 Order Changed
2500 Order Preferenced (or "Picked Up" or "Imaged"), Sent to Production
3000 Order Accepted by Production Control
3100 Order Available to Sequence (now becomes more stable)
3300 Order Selected and Scheduled for Production by Assembly Plant (Target Production Week usually available now)
3400 Order Broadcasted for Production (Internal Plant Order Produced)
3800 Vehicle Produced
4000 Vehicle Available to Ship
4104 Bailment Invoice Created
4B00 Bayed ("B", not 8)
4106 Bailment Released
4150 Vehicle Invoiced (Dealer Billed)
4200 Vehicle Shipped
4300 Intermediate Delivery
4V03 Estimated Delivery Date
4800 Rail Ramp Unload
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mine is also status 1102. Order entered via web.
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what is the link to check your order?
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Shu... I have no clue how GM determines when the get "picked up". Sorry.
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IOM... I have posted that numerous times in several threads... It seems to help a lot! 2000 is the golden number... well in the beginning. That means you were "picked up" and are on your way... Could be november.... could be June tho when you see this number.
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IOM... I have posted that numerous times in several threads... It seems to help a lot! 2000 is the golden number... well in the beginning. That means you were "picked up" and are on your way... Could be november.... could be June tho when you see this number.
and once the order is preferenced (2500) you are locked in to your order. See, I'm learning
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IOM... I have posted that numerous times in several threads... It seems to help a lot! 2000 is the golden number... well in the beginning. That means you were "picked up" and are on your way... Could be november.... could be June tho when you see this number.
Agreed…. If you don’t have 2000, you don’t have a car. Helps explain the confusion a little. There can be 1,000,000 ZL1 orders with a status of 1000, 1100, 1101, 1102 – but only (less than 3000 2012) orders will go to status 2000 or higher.
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