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Old 11-01-2011, 06:10 AM   #1
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What Will The COPO Camaros Run???

My guess: Low 9s for the 327 and very low 8s for the 427 (I'm pretty sure both will beat mine!)
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Old 11-01-2011, 09:59 AM   #2
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I found on GMPP these were the classes they were shooting for

Suggested Class: (427) A/Stock (327) AA/Stock

Don't know what the speed measure is for those classes though
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Old 11-01-2011, 02:48 PM   #3
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FAST I would love to convert my car to something like that after its paid off! Solid rear with 4.10s and 15" slicks and about 800hp A man can dream!
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Old 11-01-2011, 03:46 PM   #4
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NHRA Class Indices:

AA/S = 10.60

A/Stock = 10.95

http://www.nhra.com/competition/clas...ookieSupport=1
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The current record for AA/S is held by a '08 Cobra Jet at 9.37.

The current record for A/S is held by a '69 427 Camaro at 9.94.
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Old 11-01-2011, 10:05 PM   #6
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Also, AA/SA is held by a '11 Challenger at 9.43.
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Old 11-02-2011, 06:41 AM   #7
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To be able to compete in AA or A in a heads up race the Camaro needs to run a worst of low 10s. AA should run mid to high 9s at will with A running high 9s to low 10s. If this cant be accomplished they shouldn't even bother bringing it out. All of this is going to depend on what GM rates the horsepower rating at for the NHRA classification guide. Each class has weight breaks and is determined by horsepower to weight ratio with a minimum weight called out.
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Old 11-02-2011, 11:12 AM   #8
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To be able to compete in AA or A in a heads up race the Camaro needs to run a worst of low 10s. AA should run mid to high 9s at will with A running high 9s to low 10s. If this cant be accomplished they shouldn't even bother bringing it out. All of this is going to depend on what GM rates the horsepower rating at for the NHRA classification guide. Each class has weight breaks and is determined by horsepower to weight ratio with a minimum weight called out.
Absolutely!

They'll just keep factoring the HP rating until it's adjusted to compete. Makes no difference anyway unless they run against a car in the same class and have to run heads up. Otherwise, it's VERY expensive bracket racing!

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If this would go to market, how would they dress it? I mean, I can't see someone coming in to test drive a drag racing car! Would this be a pay up front type deal? Just curious
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Old 11-02-2011, 01:19 PM   #10
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From what ive heard and seen on the Cobra jet and Drag pak Challys you have many options. One Challenger ive seen came with 4 spare tires on it so the owner could choose his own set-up for the drag strip. The Cobra can be bought minus power train all the way to a $10,000 upgraded supercharger! Money up front and no testing it before hand!
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That's what I was thinking. But a sweet set up right out of the box.
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Old 11-02-2011, 06:18 PM   #12
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That's what I was thinking. But a sweet set up right out of the box.

Running the class times are one thing, but what is the true potential of the car.

If someone can post the full specs of the cars I'll run the performance calculations and post the results.
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Old 11-02-2011, 06:43 PM   #13
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Running the class times are one thing, but what is the true potential of the car.

If someone can post the full specs of the cars I'll run the performance calculations and post the results.
All you have to do is look at class records. When it comes to Stock or Super Stock racing, if you build a car for a class that has a lots of other cars in it, your going to have to be able to run at least 1 second under the index. While it is a bracket race, there are tons of CJ's and Challengers out there. That means the Camaro is bound to face many heads up, first to line wins races. For this you need to be able to run WAY under the index, or cut perfect lights every time. A 1/2 second under car won't cut it at the larger events when your bound to face a heads up race.
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Old 11-02-2011, 06:53 PM   #14
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Running the class times are one thing, but what is the true potential of the car.

If someone can post the full specs of the cars I'll run the performance calculations and post the results.
This is all I got. Off the GMPP website.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=59
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Old 11-03-2011, 08:06 AM   #15
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How much does it weigh? What's the weight roughly of cars in this class?
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Old 11-03-2011, 08:13 AM   #16
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I like how GM wants to get a ton of feed back on the Copo car but no numbers of horsepower or weight and nothing is even proven.
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Old 11-03-2011, 08:29 AM   #17
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I like how GM wants to get a ton of feed back on the Copo car but no numbers of horsepower or weight and nothing is even proven.
One show car built...one engine combo built...another engine package in development...likely much more to come..."What do you think?"

GMPP requires feedback and interest/intent, and more details will follow as development continues. Being hand-built by Pratt & Miller, the rolling chassis will NOT be priced to compete/fit in the Camaro's "production" lineup...it will, instead, be priced competitively with the Cobra Jet and the Drag Pack, and apparently orderable from GMPP.

As to Curb Weight, and their stated intent to run up-Class Stock or Super Stock, a ready-to-run number should be about mid-3s...3,400-3,500-3,600. The Base weight should be less to allow ballast to be added, again depending on engine combo/Class run. And remember, these Classes are Pounds/"rated" HP, so a severe diet is NOT required. Keep weight off the front end, and keep it in the rear.

A 1SS Curbs @ 3850 (LS3/MN6). Delete all the DOT things not needed, add the roll-cage/safety features; delete the IRS and add a 9"; delete production front suspension and add the racin' stuff. Wheels/tires/hood etc.

As to "prove-ability", P & M know how to build race cars and GM Powertrain and their "consultants" know how to build power...you can bet these'll be "competitive".
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With that said, we have fully dressed, with cages, Camaro's running low low low 10's. Two at Pony Wars and ran 10.1

Surely the COPO can do better than that, right? Reason I ask is I see the times for class you posted.
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Well..."rated" or "factored" hp has a way of being LESS than "actual"...
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are they streetable and will they have a VIN?
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High tens & 126-127 traps with a little over 600hp and a 1.46 60'. What do you all think.

For some reason I see a 370 and a big turbo in this car. Is there a possibility of buying this as a roller?
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High tens & 126-127 traps with a little over 600hp and a 1.46 60'. What do you all think.

For some reason I see a 370 and a big turbo in this car. Is there a possibility of buying this as a roller?
High 10s isnt even in the ball park for what this car needs to or WILL run. I run a 71 Chevelle in C/SA with a 365 hp 454 weighing 3455 and can run 10.80s at 121 all day long. I dont make 600hp and cut 1.43-1.47 60s consistently. In the right persons hands with good weather and track prep , An A/S car will be a solid low 10 high 9 stocker as long as GM doesnt release ridiculous numbers to NHRA for the horsepower rating.
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