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Old 04-08-2009, 07:36 PM   #1
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Some EBay sellers promising 4/15 delivery

So do these guys know something about delivery? There are a couple interesting explanations as to how they happened to get one (or more) to sell on Ebay. They don't seem to be getting the big bucks they're asking for yet. I wonder if they've been getting heat from Camaro enthusiasts/ customers who tried to order from them?
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So do these guys know something about delivery? There are a couple interesting explanations as to how they happened to get one (or more) to sell on Ebay. They don't seem to be getting the big bucks they're asking for yet. I wonder if they've been getting heat from Camaro enthusiasts/ customers who tried to order from them?
Hey, they're selling on Ebay....they must have the inside scoop
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Looks like Salisbury (N.Y..) has the most, with some guy (who does'nt post his dealer name) out of Deerfield Beach, Florida next. Fairway is in there too. Gonna be some mad customers that paid more than MSRP pretty soon.
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Welcome to the site Dan...hope you have a flame retardant suit cause their are gonna be a lot of people with strong opinions about your business practices. Just a forewarning...
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Hey Don, not to fuel the fire here, but here is another thread about your dealership in regards to a person wanting to buy from you.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17763

I am from the NY area where your dealership is and I have been there many times for Car shows and such, but never bought a car from you. Some of this recent news does not sound too good for business.
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The buy it now price is only roughly $7000 over MSRP. Three years ago that would have been okay (maybe 4,000...7 is a little excessive) because people had a little extra. But now folks are sitting tight because of the shape of the economy and GM. You will have a hard time especially if other dealerships are selling at MSRP. I understand making a buck you need to grab the extra bucks right now too on whatever you can. You may get lucky if someone sees a few on the street and buys with their emotions.

The thing that really irks me is how sure you are that you are getting your car in a week. I have VIN 647. I have been sitting at event code 3800for almost three weeks since it was built and I received a VIN. I'll be lucky if I see my car on the 22nd. Not one dealer can give a definite delivery date that can be determined from this entire site. That line is a little smarmy.
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Hmmmm you didn't know how many you were going to get??..Whiteman told me they were getting 10 of em.....I got thier first one..hopefully built this week....I went to Salisbury once....Once
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Welcome to the site... there got that out of the way.

You can say whatever you want about your reason for selling these cars on Ebay.

The fact is... if every dealer in the country had the same attitude, then NO ONE would have been able to get a Camaro.

Owning and racing Camaro's does NOT make you an enthusiast. Owning, racing and spreading the "Camaro love" makes you an enthuiast.

This is sooooo typical of what is wrong with most businesses in America. The rich get richer, and the average American takes it in the gas can.

YOU... are one of the reasons sales of American built cars are down almost 45%, YOU... are one of the reasons that consumers are scared of buying American. Personally I don't care if you "sleep well at night".

.......In the end -- You and other dealers like you, will eventually suck the life out the American auto industry.

Never underestimate the power of "word of mouth".

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Welcome to the site... there got that out of the way.

You can say whatever you want about your reason for selling these cars on Ebay.

The fact is... if every dealer in the country had the same attitude, then NO ONE would have been able to get a Camaro.

Owning and racing Camaro's does NOT make you an enthusiast. Owning, racing and spreading the "Camaro love" makes you an enthuiast.

This is sooooo typical of what is wrong with most businesses in America. The rich get richer, and the average American takes it in the gas can.

YOU... are one of the reasons sales of American built cars are down almost 45%, YOU... are one of the reasons that consumers are scared of buying American. Personally I don't care if you "sleep well at night".

.......In the end -- You and other dealers like you, will eventually suck the life out the American auto industry.

Never underestimate the power of "word of mouth".

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I saw the post. I responded to it. I have offered to have the person call me. We did not take deposits as I have stated because we really did not know what we were going to get. We put the first 2 on Ebay because we sell alot online. thats all. We are having another show this year I hope you come and introduce yourself. Dan
Your in New York state and didn't think you would get at least a couple? Do you have any Camaro fans that buy there?They may have been willing to wait for a car.
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They may have been willing to wait for a car.
Not at his prices. This is the stuff that ruins the car experience for so many. The sad part is
he doesn't see it. It's just business.
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Ummm Dan? where did you go Dan?....(Crickets Chirping)
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Not at his prices. This is the stuff that ruins the car experience for so many. The sad part is
he doesn't see it. It's just business.
Sad thing is, the business practices of the dishonest or greedy,won't be the criteria for closure by GM.
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Ok okay people..... I am not saying this dealer is right in the way he is doing things but you really need to look at things from different sides. How many people on this site are getting their Camaros for MSRP or less.... darn near all of them and that is freckin awsome. Now just because we have a bunch of smart people around here that wont get taken advantage of doesnt mean everyone is the same way. There will always be some yahoos out there that will pay darn near anything to be first or whatever their reason may be. Do I agree with it no....but those people are out there. Sooooo from a sales stand point this guy is just trying to capitalize on those yahoos not us. Every dealer is out there to make money....some just do it different. He may get a few more thousand for his Camaros or he may sit on them.... either way he is not going to sell a large amount like "our" dealers.

The thing about these dealers is they only exist because we let them.
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[QUOTE=Evotion;398277]Welcome to the site... there got that out of the way.

You can say whatever you want about your reason for selling these cars on Ebay.

The fact is... if every dealer in the country had the same attitude, then NO ONE would have been able to get a Camaro.

Every dealer does not have the same attitude.... your right. So it's our choice to either find a MSRP dealer or pay crazy amounts..... There is always some yahoo who has more money than you who is willing to use it to jump you inline. Thats why these guys still exist.

Owning and racing Camaro's does NOT make you an enthusiast. Owning, racing and spreading the "Camaro love" makes you an enthuiast.

Just because he is trying to make money does not make him less of an enthusit...... thats just your opinion


This is sooooo typical of what is wrong with most businesses in America. The rich get richer, and the average American takes it in the gas can.

I dont see how the average american is taking in the "gas can"....if their the one choosing to spend more

YOU... are one of the reasons sales of American built cars are down almost 45%, YOU... are one of the reasons that consumers are scared of buying American. Personally I don't care if you "sleep well at night".

Simply not fact...just an opinion. It doesnt matter wether its american or foreign any dealer will mark up a car if people are willing to pay for it.

.......In the end -- You and other dealers like you, will eventually suck the life out the American auto industry.

Only if we buy from them and let them

Never underestimate the power of "word of mouth".
Word of mouth wont stop people from trying to make more money if there is always a market thats willing to pay more.


I am not saying this is right but it IS how business works....always has been always will be. If we choose to spend it...people will choose to take it. IT'S ALL UP TO US!
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The bottom line is that these 2 cars were not ordered for the first 2 customers that came in and ordered. You ordered your first two specifically for your dealership, which is the wrong way to do business in my opinion. The first person to walk into your dealership and order a Camaro should get the FIRST Camaro that you order. There is no good reason to do this other than seeing the dollar signs in your eyes. Does the person that ordered first know that he is starting out at #3? My bet is that if he did, he would no longer have an order placed with you. The fact that you placed stock orders in front of sold orders would tell me that you would be willing to bump me down the list if someone else came in and offered to pay more. I personally would rather be #10 at a dealership that I have respect for than be #3 at your shady, Mickey Mouse operation. Thats all I have to say about that.
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Wow - nice welcome to this new user to the forum... Sounds like most of the people replying know how to run a successful business better than he does...

IMO - ask whatever you want for a car, new or used. It is up to the buyer to pay the price. Some will, some won't, all it takes is one, that is what makes this country go 'round
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Welcome to the site... there got that out of the way.

You can say whatever you want about your reason for selling these cars on Ebay.

The fact is... if every dealer in the country had the same attitude, then NO ONE would have been able to get a Camaro.

Owning and racing Camaro's does NOT make you an enthusiast. Owning, racing and spreading the "Camaro love" makes you an enthuiast.

This is sooooo typical of what is wrong with most businesses in America. The rich get richer, and the average American takes it in the gas can.

YOU... are one of the reasons sales of American built cars are down almost 45%, YOU... are one of the reasons that consumers are scared of buying American. Personally I don't care if you "sleep well at night".

.......In the end -- You and other dealers like you, will eventually suck the life out the American auto industry.

Never underestimate the power of "word of mouth".

/rant off
Nice rant. Fact is if every dealer in the country did this, they would find they are not selling many and most would drop their price. This dealership can ask what they want for the car, it is up to the buyer to pay the price.

Do you honestly think marking up specialty cars has ANY bearing on the drop in domestic car sales? Come on. Sounds like you should be running a dealership, good luck with that one.
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Wow - nice welcome to this new user to the forum... Sounds like most of the people replying know how to run a successful business better than he does...

IMO - ask whatever you want for a car, new or used. It is up to the buyer to pay the price. Some will, some won't, all it takes is one, that is what makes this country go 'round
I'm not saying that his dealership won't be successful, just that he is not doing what is right. He is running his business in a less than ethical manner. How would you feel if you were at Wal-Mart waiting in line, and someone got to cut in front of you simply because they were paying more for their merchandise? Probably not very happy.

I understand that this is the way our free market system works, but its just a matter of common courtesy. The way to run a successful business is to keep the customers coming back, not screwing them when they buy the first time. If I were #3 on this guys list, I probably would not cancel my order because I know I would have to wait much, much longer if I go somewhere else. However, I would NEVER be back into his establishment. Not for service, parts, or another car. I also would never recommend this place to anyone. In the sales world, referrals are your bread and butter. They are customers that you get without having to work for them. You don't get them by screwing all of your customers. I know this more than most, because for the past 2 years, I have been successfully "selling" the most difficult thing there is to sell, which is service in the US Army during a time of war. You may be successful in the short term by being shady, but eventually you will fail.

I've had a few beers, so I am sorry if some of this came out a little scattered, but I think I got my point across.
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I'm not saying that his dealership won't be successful, just that he is not doing what is right. He is running his business in a less than ethical manner. How would you feel if you were at Wal-Mart waiting in line, and someone got to cut in front of you simply because they were paying more for their merchandise? Probably not very happy.

I understand that this is the way our free market system works, but its just a matter of common courtesy. The way to run a successful business is to keep the customers coming back, not screwing them when they buy the first time. If I were #3 on this guys list, I probably would not cancel my order because I know I would have to wait much, much longer if I go somewhere else. However, I would NEVER be back into his establishment. Not for service, parts, or another car. I also would never recommend this place to anyone. In the sales world, referrals are your bread and butter. They are customers that you get without having to work for them. You don't get them by screwing all of your customers. I know this more than most, because for the past 2 years, I have been successfully "selling" the most difficult thing there is to sell, which is service in the US Army during a time of war. You may be successful in the short term by being shady, but eventually you will fail.

I've had a few beers, so I am sorry if some of this came out a little scattered, but I think I got my point across.
It's not right according to who? You?

Your Walmart comparison is flawed, Walmart would have the item priced as marked, you would choose to buy it at that price or not, same thing here, no difference.

Common courtesy? This is business, places buy items for a set price and mark them up for their profit. Some stores sell the very same item more or less then their competitors do, why can't cars be the same way? If GM has no rules against it, should be OK in my book. I can choose to buy from him or the dealership up the street that charges less, the choice is mine.

I don't see shady business, not like he got you in the door and jacked up the price after he quoted you something else. You know his price yet some here are pitching a fit for him doing so. Don't like it, don't buy it and move on
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[QUOTE=Evotion;398277]Welcome to the site... there got that out of the way.

You can say whatever you want about your reason for selling these cars on Ebay.

The fact is... if every dealer in the country had the same attitude, then NO ONE would have been able to get a Camaro.

Every dealer does not have the same attitude.... your right. So it's our choice to either find a MSRP dealer or pay crazy amounts..... There is always some yahoo who has more money than you who is willing to use it to jump you inline. Thats why these guys still exist.



Owning and racing Camaro's does NOT make you an enthusiast. Owning, racing and spreading the "Camaro love" makes you an enthuiast.

Just because he is trying to make money does not make him less of an enthusit...... thats just your opinion

Your right... my opinion, but I would not screw someone out of a Camaro... would you?


This is sooooo typical of what is wrong with most businesses in America. The rich get richer, and the average American takes it in the gas can.

I dont see how the average american is taking in the "gas can"....if their the one choosing to spend more

That one was fueled by the current economic situation. Granted, we have always been a society based on making a profit no matter what the cost... that doesn't mean that people can't change their ways to improve a situation... obviously not everyone will.

YOU... are one of the reasons sales of American built cars are down almost 45%, YOU... are one of the reasons that consumers are scared of buying American. Personally I don't care if you "sleep well at night".

Simply not fact...just an opinion. It doesnt matter wether its american or foreign any dealer will mark up a car if people are willing to pay for it.

Opinion? Maybe. Give me a useless $500k government grant to at least study if I am right or not What I mean is... how do we now that people don't run over to the Chevy dealer, look at the price and say "whoa... huge mark-up", then they run across the street and see the same mark-up on the Toyota, now since the country is under the impression that american quality is in the tank, and there is no incentive what-so-ever, what do you think they would do? Not saying I'm right... what I'm saying is this is an example of what not to do to save the industry right now.

.......In the end -- You and other dealers like you, will eventually suck the life out the American auto industry.

Only if we buy from them and let them

See above.

Never underestimate the power of "word of mouth".
Word of mouth wont stop people from trying to make more money if there is always a market thats willing to pay more.

No... but word of mouth can keep people from making more money, i.e. GM. Pick any one of the stupid things that have been said that led to the demise of sales.


I am not saying this is right but it IS how business works....always has been always will be. If we choose to spend it...people will choose to take it. IT'S ALL UP TO US!

Agree 110%. "IT'S ALL UP TO US!" Was the point of me posting what I did, I appreciate the banter, but I am done with this thread now... my voice was heard.
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