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Old 02-06-2012, 02:57 PM   #26
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So, what's the deal. Did yo fire that thing up yet or what?
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Old 02-08-2012, 10:41 AM   #27
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Well....Sorry about the Hiatus but the Three week turn around From turnkey ended up being a three month turn around. They ran into a few un expected snags. I will give you a brief rundown on what we ran into and where it stands.

First, turnkey had not Done any TVS2300's and the first snag was that they usually convert the Drive by wire throttle boddies to cable so as not to have to make the switch to Drive by wire thus making the install easier on the old retro fits.Also allows you to use manusl kickdown cable on the turbo 350. The snag here is...the manual throttlebody interfeerede with the surpentine drive on the TVSsetup...thus we had to switch to DBW. This turned into a programming nightmare.

Second snag was dialing in the boost. After many UPS packages sent back and forth to Magnusun ( of course thyis was all taking place over the holidays and year end so everyones invetory was low and everybody on vacation for weeks at a time. Magnusun didnt even get open until the 3rd of January so we did a lot of waiting.

Kudos to turnkey...KOLBY and KOREY were very patient with me as I continued to hound them for updates, almost on a daily bassis. So, anyway After 5 weeks on the dyno I finally got the motor shipped wich they did Fedex ( again Kudos to turnkey they did it on their Dime) and now the ball is in My Court Finally.

The Dyno Pull which I will post shows it pulled at about 690 Ft Lbs of tourque on a fresh motor and 91 octane fuel Running 9.5 lbs of boost. Haqd to go to a 10% overdrive crank pulley to get there. I was looking for 10lbs but fell a little shy but the numbers look pretty good so we took what we had. I can always up the anty later if need be.

Now...as we uncrated the motor there were several parts that were supposed to be included but were missing. Most importanantly the motor mount adapter plates followed by flex plate spacer, heat exchanger and pump for inter cooler and a couple other misc. items which once again were sent to me by turnkey after advising them of the omission. I think they were in such a hurry to get the motor to me or should i say get it off the dyno and me off there back they just weren't real thurough in packing. As a matter of fact when they engine arrived it still had water in the block which could have been disasterous when shipping to northern Illinois...fortunately we had a week of warm weather when it was shipped so no damage was done but could have been a disasterous mistake. Thank God it wasn't.

Anyway, than after the engine arrived i was out of state for 10 days so that pushed me back even farther. We are now going full speed ahead...but have encountered numerous obstacles along the way but nothing that we haven't been able to resolve so far.

The hood clearance is looking sketchy...I am hoping I can cut some hood out underneath the factory teardrop scoop on the 1980 z28 hood but that remains to be seen. More to come on that.

after dropping the engine in and pulling it back out too many times to count the issues that needed to be resolved were.

Back coil andcylinder head were hitting on Factory airconditioning box. There is a little tab on the box that I have no idea what purpose it served was had to be trimmed but was done succesfully.

The coil covers sent by turnkey were waty to tall and to gain clearance for the coil covers they had the AC compressor hung way to far out and hit the fenderwells so we had to shorten the heim shaft and bring the compressor in and resize the belt which was also a hastle. Not many choices in that length of belt especially in an 8 rib version.

Now the biggest issue that eally had me scratching my head was the factory alternator mount being down low caused the alternator to interfere with the steering box. It just misses the box if you take the rag joint cover off but the pitman arm still hit the alternator when making right turns. This issue was resolved by heating the pitman arm and bending it 2 inches downward to clear the alternator. The Idler arm than had to be dropped 2 inches as well in order to maintain propery steer geometry but that has been completed and worked out great. Might need to drop tie rods but that is done easily enough through drops made for stock car racing but until we set the ride height we have not determined the need yet. Everything looks goog now but I think I will have to lower the suspension either with drop spindles or softer springs eventually. We dont have radiator etc all mounted so to early to tell but with the weight savings from the old iron block and 6/71 blower and not having all the accesories hanging out as far in front it looks like we are sitting a little hi in front. The surpantine setup keeps everything very tight up front so there now is a ton of room between the front of all the accessories and the radiator.

So as it stands Now..we have resolved all clearance problems have engine in the engine compartment as it will be. Still working on running wires and fuel lines etc. Kinda in the final mock upstage before pulling the motor again to clean up and detail. I have only checked drivers side header working on Pass. side now. Than have to run intercooler pump lines and mount pump and heat exchanger and we should be good to go. I am using Roto Fab Coil covers which look like they will fit well. I have some phone pics that arent great but will give everyone an Idea of wghere we are at.

I definately think I am inventing the wheel here. I know there have been quite a few LS conversions done on Second Gen. Camaro's but throwing the AC in and The tvs2300 supercharger on top has really muddied the waters. Thank God I have an awesome fabricator doing the work. Anybody that can stuff a coyotee in a maverick makes this look easy.

We are moving ahead rapidly now so I should be having more updates more frequently now. I will get a better camara as soon as we get some of the mess cleaned up but this is what I have for now....


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Old 02-08-2012, 11:58 AM   #28
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Don't stress out about the delays. It's typical. I've never heard of anyone getting an engine built in 3-weeks, and I'd be very sceptical of any hand made engine that arrives that quickly especially if it's being built for boost.

As for the other stuff, I'm sure it's typical to run into clearance issues when stuffing new motor in an older vehicle, so I'm sure your team will get it sorted out.

Can't wait to see and hear final results.

BTW - Engine looks nice, all those pretty shiny pulleys. LOL
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:25 PM   #29
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well...both headers fit fine thank god only the header manufacturer didn't send metric header bolts, go figure but we scrounged enough to hang them anyway for mock up purposes only and got the passenger side coil cover trimmed to fit nicely as well. Only had to trim the front corner to clear the AC compressor since we moved it in closer to clear the inner fender well.

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Thats all for today...More to come stay tunned...
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:43 PM   #30
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Oh ya Forgot the Dyno Sheet I promised....

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Couldn't get any readings at lower RPM because to load the dyne up hard enough to handle the peak HP and TQ it couldn't pull the load at lowerRPM with out preignition kicking in. There is however, well over 600 Ft Lbs at 3000 rpm.

I will do a chasis pull and tune once we get it running. May up the boost than as well if needed. I can find 93 octane all day long where I live and this was a 91 octane tune. My 2010's have all been tuned for 93 so I think there is more to be had if needed but I have a feeling this should satisfy me for a while considering the difference in weight between the two vehicles. Don't want to twist this car into a pretzel.....
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Old 02-08-2012, 10:46 PM   #31
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Nice numbers. Any idea whiy the TQ is higher than the HP? Usually, the other way around.
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Old 02-09-2012, 06:01 AM   #32
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Nice numbers. Any idea whiy the TQ is higher than the HP? Usually, the other way around.
No, I told them I wanted to build for torque but not really sure about the difference. I know they dropped the compression and upped the boost. And I am not real sure what the cam profile is. They call it a stage 1 Cam but they weren't eager to share the profile. I know most of the engines they build go into Rock Crawlers and Sand Rails. I think most of the top 10 Crawlers are or were running their engines. I would imagine that they would like to be heavy on the bottom end as far as torque goes. I know they also put a 90mm throttle body on it as well.

I will feel better about the numbers once I get the thing on a Chassis dyno so I can compare it to my others. Same dyne same tuner etc. Better for comparison purposes. I know they are driving the maggie pretty hard.

It has a 3.2 pulley on the top plus a 10% overdrive crank pulley. My gray 2010 only has a 3.6 with 10% overdrive crank and it is wound tight as a drum.

Although dropping the compression would surely be some of the reason if not all of it.... a bigger hole to fill.

I am more about the tq than the hp because when driven on the street thats what you feel in the seat of your pants

I want that big block grunt in a small package. I will just have to wait and see how it compares to my others once I get it on a chassis dyne and can get a full pull and compare. Not to concerned after knowing how my other two run and the additional tweaks on this one.

no Cats and 3 inch exhaust on this one that should help some too...

I am hoping to get it running before the dyno gets to bogged down. In my neck of the woods I have only one place I know of to dyno it and the closer to spring it gets the longer it takes to get dyne time.

But very good question....
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:42 PM   #33
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Well good News ! she fits under the factory Hood. Its all starting to come together.

Almost everything is mocked up. Exhaust , New Gas tank with pump etc. All thats left is to run a lot of lines. Fuel,air-conditioning, intercooler, radiator, heater hoses, radiator hoses. Than have to mount radiator, heat exchangers,Air Box,etc.

I guess after spelling it all out there is still a lot to do. But most of my major concerns have been addressed and all are doable at this point. Truly elated that the whole thing is going to fit under the factory hood. Had to cut some of the hood out under the factory hood scoop but no biggie, done by pros, so it all is looking like it was meant to be there. That was the goal.

Got one pic with my old 6/71 hood in place to check clearances but got a call later that original hood was on and fit so it's a good day. It won't be long now and will be blowing it all back apart for detailing and making it look as clean as possible without going too crazy.

Can't wait to hear this baby sing....

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Old 02-11-2012, 06:02 AM   #34
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im looking forward to hearing it sing as well, nice job
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:21 PM   #35
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Well More Pics...

Radiator, fans ,intercooler, Hand made intercooler tank, air conditioning lines, heater hoses, fuel lines, SS radiator Hoses.

Making Progress !:thumb up:

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The Grand Finale

Well...heres the deal. Everything is back in the car. All lines, hoses etc all mounted, just finnised threading wires hanging computer and relay box Just a few loose ends to tie up.

Got oil and anti freeze and all other fluids on the floor waiting to go in.

Waiting on one 90 degree elbow so they can finnish fabing the air box and inlet tube and than it will be time to turn the key and see what happens.

Oh ya gotta put tranny back in too. Took it out to put new seals in it and its a whole lot easier to get motor back in with it out. So gotta bolt tranny up bolt the exhaust back in and that is about it.

Leaving tomorrow on a cruise and if everything goes as planned it will be running and waiting for me when I get back. I guess that is one way to not be too diappointed that vacation is over when I can look forward to coming home and taking a test drive.

I will be thinking about it during the whole cruise but thats ok. Gives me something to look forward to.

So...bottom line. I will post an update when I return on the 18th. Hopefully weather permitting I will shoot some video and pics shortly there after. It is really coming together. Can't Friggin Wait !

Thats it for now stay tuned for the Grand Finale...
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Nice numbers. Any idea whiy the TQ is higher than the HP? Usually, the other way around.
because this car wasn't built to hit a high peak number. it was made to have power under the curve.

Things like a diesel engine...lmao
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Well...heres the deal. Everything is back in the car. All lines, hoses etc all mounted, just finnised threading wires hanging computer and relay box Just a few loose ends to tie up.

Got oil and anti freeze and all other fluids on the floor waiting to go in.

Waiting on one 90 degree elbow so they can finnish fabing the air box and inlet tube and than it will be time to turn the key and see what happens.

Oh ya gotta put tranny back in too. Took it out to put new seals in it and its a whole lot easier to get motor back in with it out. So gotta bolt tranny up bolt the exhaust back in and that is about it.

Leaving tomorrow on a cruise and if everything goes as planned it will be running and waiting for me when I get back. I guess that is one way to not be too diappointed that vacation is over when I can look forward to coming home and taking a test drive.

I will be thinking about it during the whole cruise but thats ok. Gives me something to look forward to.

So...bottom line. I will post an update when I return on the 18th. Hopefully weather permitting I will shoot some video and pics shortly there after. It is really coming together. Can't Friggin Wait !

Thats it for now stay tuned for the Grand Finale...
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btw...get a new camera...
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because this car wasn't built to hit a high peak number. it was made to have power under the curve.

Things like a diesel engine...lmao
I think most people want to increase TQ, because achieving high HP numbers is pretty easy.

That's why I'm curious how they got it the other way around. I'd think it would have something to do with timing at lower RPM's and sacrificing timing at higher RPM's.
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Nice numbers. Any idea whiy the TQ is higher than the HP? Usually, the other way around.
my 436 sbc came out the same way it made 635 hp and 680 ft.lbs,of torque all depends on how its built mines built for torque also,and only running 9.5:1 compression.
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my 436 sbc came out the same way it made 635 hp and 680 ft.lbs,of torque all depends on how its built mines built for torque also,and only running 9.5:1 compression.
I make good torque (well over 600), and I have lower compression as well but HP at 6k, blows away the TQ #. Just curious what would make the TQ higher than HP.
I know the maggies product full boost right away, so that may be the difference. I have a ProCharger so I don't get full boost until a bit higher in the RPM range and at that point pure HP kicks in.
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I think most people want to increase TQ, because achieving high HP numbers is pretty easy.

That's why I'm curious how they got it the other way around. I'd think it would have something to do with timing at lower RPM's and sacrificing timing at higher RPM's.

its all in the cam. its not a highly aggressive cam (more suited for a DD on the street) but with boost, it exaccerbates the pure torque down low.
The cam is not ground for top end power.

I prefer more torque than HP.

I look at it this way...

HP is how fast you hit the wall
Torque is how much of the wall you take with you.

and HP sells cars, torque wins races.
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its all in the cam. its not a highly aggressive cam (more suited for a DD on the street) but with boost, it exaccerbates the pure torque down low.
The cam is not ground for top end power.

I prefer more torque than HP.

I look at it this way...

HP is how fast you hit the wall
Torque is how much of the wall you take with you.

and HP sells cars, torque wins races.
Believe me, right now I have enough of both with the booster CAM profile we've got in this engine.
Trying to decide what rims / tires I have to get now so I don't look like I"m skating around all day driving on the local roads.
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Well Just got back from my cruise late last night...had a cancelled flight in Florida had to spend the night in NC. But, Good News The last e mail I got was...ITS ALIVE ! it started right up and is ready for Hi Gear Burn Outs.

I am going to get there as fast as I can this AM and check it out. Supposed to rain this afternoon hopefully i will get it out for a spin yet today. Either way I will have pics from an SLR camera and hopefully some video all posted today. Those who have seen it are telling the craftsman ship ended up fantastic so will share ASAP ! stay tuned.
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ok, just stopped by to see my Baby and it is awefyul sweet ! Hood still isnt on it. Still have to find a lead for the tach which I have located on Factory Harness from torn Key just have to tap into it. The guy building it did manage to get a quick test drive in and said it was UNBELIEVABLE ! quote un Quote. All three gears of smoke at will. ( Grin Grin).

Still have to do some ride height adjustments. Front end sits at least 2 inches higher than factory with all the weight savings even with the Blower and inter cooler so I will be looking for some springs right after posting this. Need to drop it two inches and get some good progressive rates on the springs. Will probably throw some polyurethane control arm bushings in while I have them a part. Cleaning up the underside of the hood now so should be on next visit. I cant express my pleasure in the quality of the craftmanship. This thing looks completely factory ! Have to put freon in AC unit yet and a few small other items. Unfortunately it started pouring the minute I got to the shop so no drives or out side pics. I did take some pics with a 11 mega pixel camara and have some short video of it running so hope to have those posted sometime today. As soon as the weather breaks I will get it outside for a better photo shoot but keep in mind it will need to be lowered up front. also needs some serious front end alignment so still a few tweaks but man just to hear that baby sing and idle but boy does she bark. Literally scared the crap outa myself when I wound it up and this aint my first rodeo. This is going to be one bad SOB.

I will post updates hopefully daily at this point. Got some real work....the kind that pays the bills , to do today to catch up from the cruise but we will get on it ASAP.

The suspense is killing Me I need to drive this bad boy.

Will post pics and links as soon as I can !
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:58 PM   #46
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I will get better car pics when I can get it outside...still Raining.

I will post short Video on You Tube Shortly. Hood should be on today and might get a drive in tomorrow.

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Here is a short video I promised. More to Come later. At least you get to hear her Purrrrrrrr....







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That thing sounds sweet, flowmaster mufflers i take it?
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