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bmorecam · 11-10-2011, 08:46 AM

So all the car girls are in texas huh.. At least the pretty ones

bossbunny · 11-10-2011, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bmorecam

So all the car girls are in texas huh.. At least the pretty ones

Idk about that, dont know too many car girls. My friends think I'm a freak of nature, girl body, guy mind.

c_LoW29 · 11-10-2011, 08:55 AM

This is turning into another BadgeBunny thread lol

bmorecam · 11-10-2011, 08:55 AM

I guess that's not a bad thing. Some girls out here are waaaay too "i need to get my nails done" and it's only monday

bossbunny · 11-10-2011, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by c_LoW29

This is turning into another BadgeBunny thread lol

I sorry. :( I'm just here to drool over a new mod. Which if all goes well, I will be buying .

Been trying to calm my inner mod buy but I saw this and I can't resist.

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Originally Posted by bmorecam

I guess that's not a bad thing. Some girls out here are waaaay too "i need to get my nails done" and it's only monday

I hate that.

c_LoW29 · 11-10-2011, 08:58 AM

No need to apologize just messin with yah.

bossbunny · 11-10-2011, 09:10 AM

So Q: will this put more wear and tear on the engine or will it increase the life of the engine or no change?

bmwdon · 11-10-2011, 10:14 AM

it wouldn't increase the life of it, it's simply modifying the airflow. any extra hp made in any form could potentially increase strain put on the motor, but short of jamming air/fuel into it with a s/c or turbo or with the chemical method (n2o), I don't see the engine life being significantly shortened improving the engines ability to breathe on it's own with manifold work, worked heads, cams (maybe shorten the valvetrain if you don't upgrade it all up top), headers..etc.

bmwdon · 11-10-2011, 10:15 AM

maybe trying to spin the motor past it's factory rpms without considerable internal balancing would cause it to come apart prematurely in the NA world.

bossbunny · 11-10-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bmwdon

it wouldn't increase the life of it, it's simply modifying the airflow. any extra hp made in any form could potentially increase strain put on the motor, but short of jamming air/fuel into it with a s/c or turbo or with the chemical method (n2o), I don't see the engine life being significantly shortened improving the engines ability to breathe on it's own with manifold work, worked heads, cams (maybe shorten the valvetrain if you don't upgrade it all up top), headers..etc.

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Originally Posted by bmwdon

maybe trying to spin the motor past it's factory rpms without considerable internal balancing would cause it to come apart prematurely in the NA world.

Ah okay thanks. I figured it couldn't be too bad for it since its just increased air. But I figured I would ask.

BaylorCamaro · 11-10-2011, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bmwdon

wouldn't be hard to take the bolts over to lowes and just find a comparable hex head bolt either. as long as it's the same thread and length....why not?

Man I can't tell you how many times I have done this. I probably have half of Lowes bolt selection throughout my car. When I made my reseat delete I had some bolts laying around in my tool box that fight perfectly for what I needed.

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Originally Posted by bmorecam

So all the car girls are in texas huh.. At least the pretty ones

KMPrenger · 11-10-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tmac1granger33

so only $150 bucks? i would have a performance shop do the install... cant wait to see how much of a gain this will give, thanks bmore you are the man!in the LLT world

Keep in mind this is not just the insulators we are testing here, but also a thoroughly ported intake manifold....which may be making the majority of the extra power. We just don't know which it is yet and may not know for a while until someone does one or the other independantly.

I know BSR1 ported his IM, but that porting job was different, and we don't have any real results there yet.

BaylorCamaro · 11-10-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Keep in mind this is not just the insulators we are testing here, but also a thoroughly ported intake manifold....which may be making the majority of the extra power. We just don't know which it is yet and may not know for a while until someone does one or the other independantly.

I know BSR1 ported his IM, but that porting job was different, and we don't have any real results there yet.

I feel like the hard core port job that Jay had done is what most of the power is coming from. I have a hard time believing that the insulators are doing all that much. Now that isn't to say that I'm not going to get them when I get my IM ported.

mhog · 11-10-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Keep in mind this is not just the insulators we are testing here, but also a thoroughly ported intake manifold....which may be making the majority of the extra power. We just don't know which it is yet and may not know for a while until someone does one or the other independantly.

I know BSR1 ported his IM, but that porting job was different, and we don't have any real results there yet.

What was the difference in port jobs? Was one port matched and this one gasket matched?

PsychoRS · 11-10-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bmorecam

Well guys... I really don't have too much time tonight to give you guys my full impression but so far things are looking good, really good lol.

The first thing that I noticed is that the car feel about 300 lb lighter. No matter what gear you are in you give some throttle and the car just go with no question asked. Even in 6th gear under 2000rpm the car just go. If that ain't torque I don't know what it is.

I have reset the ecm just as mace recommend so for about next 50 miles or so will be easy miles so the ecm can learn the new mods correctly.

And I almost forgot, after driving for about 20 minutes in the traffic I opened up the hood and I was shocked to feel that the manifold was not warm but cool to the touch.

I will give you guys my full review tomorrow when I have more time.

So far it was definitely worth every penny and a very good start to project #2.

Sounds good so far!

Looking forward to your dyno results on Tuesday

bmorecam · 11-10-2011, 12:49 PM

We know that increasing the runner length will increase torque down low, and we also know that porting will mostly affect hp at higher rpm. So with this in mind I think once I have a dyno graph for everyone to review we can roughly get an idea of what came from what. We also have mace's dyno plot and my previous dyno plots to compare with. Although we won't be able to figure out "exactly" how much was gained from individual part, I believe we can come close enough with the help of very knowledgeable folks here.

Yesterday I had to put easy miles due to resetting the ecm and letting her relearn the new mods, but today I put her through some hard paces and let her have it. All I can say is I am very impressed

I remember a while back I mentioned the lag in 3rd gear specifically from 2k-3k rpm wot even after the ported tb. Now with the mods, not only the lag is gone but you punch it right at 2k and you can actually feel the torque kicking in with seat in the pants feel. The highway cruising in 6th gear feel so easy now and it almost remind me of my v8 police interceptor on the highway. It seem the torque kicks in right around 2k rpm and just go from there. The high rpm does not feel flat anymore like it used to and instead it pull very strong to redline. The feel of difference is just undeniable. I can't put it off or downplay it because the extra power just won't let me. Im not going to say that I feel like I gained 40lb of tq down low but the torque is definitely the highlight of these 2 mods combined.

When I was testing the e85 we seen 20rwhp peak on the dyno and I remember exactly how that felt. So if I have to compare hp vs hp these 2 mods combined feel alot stronger then 20rwhp we gained with e85 tuning. I guess we will have to wait and see if my butt dyno is calibrated correctly

Also, in my situation I will definitely have to get everything retuned for the additions. My AFR went from the normal 12.5-12.7 to now 11.6-11.8 on wot. I am almost positive this is from the stage 3 aggressive removal and reshaping of the outlets. I already emailed vince to see what we can come up with as far as tuning for the additions so I will let you guys know once I get a reply from him. The rest of the parameter logging is on hold due to my netbook's battery completely going dead yesterday

2012 is going to be an awesome year for the N/A guys. Not just that, but the ifp guy just returned my email and said that their new tune which is their own engineering and software have seen gains up to 27rwhp on our LLT. He said that he will post up new dyno graphs soon.

Cammed out n/a and supercharged LLT's in 2012 is going to be just insane

bmorecam · 11-10-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mhog

What was the difference in port jobs? Was one port matched and this one gasket matched?

If I sit here and tell peoples what is the difference between what bsr did and what high flow did then I would be throwing 1 of them under the bus and I am not that type of person. You are just going to have to compare the 2 yourself. There's a BIG reason why I decided to let darin at high flow do the job for me

BloodUSMC · 11-10-2011, 12:55 PM

Wow! that cammy is going to be a beast from the east!

SC2150 · 11-10-2011, 12:57 PM

Bunney, wish you were closer and we could use your car for some of the LLT R&D we do here....mod hungry owners are what we like!! Cant wait to see the results of this!!

SIXJAK · 11-10-2011, 01:22 PM

Here, Here! Bmorcam you are the freaking bomb. I have sum mod money and am needing to mod. Mods are the new meth. How much for the intake and insulator(s)? And hrs to install? So I can know what to pay my monkey who turns the wrench for me? LOL
Merry Christmas to me.

bossbunny · 11-10-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SC2150

Bunney, wish you were closer and we could use your car for some of the LLT R&D we do here....mod hungry owners are what we like!! Cant wait to see the results of this!!

I wish too! Not alot of shops in Houston interested in the LLT.

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Originally Posted by SIXJAK

Here, Here! Bmorcam you are the freaking bomb. I have sum mod money and am needing to mod. Mods are the new meth. How much for the intake and insulator(s)? And hrs to install? So I can know what to pay my monkey who turns the wrench for me? LOL
Merry Christmas to me.

tmac1granger33 · 11-10-2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SIXJAK

Here, Here! Bmorcam you are the freaking bomb. I have sum mod money and am needing to mod. Mods are the new meth. How much for the intake and insulator(s)? And hrs to install? So I can know what to pay my monkey who turns the wrench for me? LOL
Merry Christmas to me.

mhog · 11-10-2011, 02:08 PM

We have to find out what Vararam can do for us. I don't want to change it, but depending on the hard numbers I'd have to think about it.

PoorMansCamaro · 11-10-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SC2150

Bunney, wish you were closer and we could use your car for some of the LLT R&D we do here....mod hungry owners are what we like!! Cant wait to see the results of this!!

i'm hoping to be there soon, and i'm mod hungry. like cookie monster

HopeRidesAlone · 11-10-2011, 03:30 PM

i might have to see this thing sometime bmore

11-10-2011, 08:55 AM	#103
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11-10-2011, 08:58 AM	#106
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11-10-2011, 10:14 AM	#108
bmwdon I refuse to go smurfy Drives: 2009 Challenger SRT8, 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MD Posts: 1,321	it wouldn't increase the life of it, it's simply modifying the airflow. any extra hp made in any form could potentially increase strain put on the motor, but short of jamming air/fuel into it with a s/c or turbo or with the chemical method (n2o), I don't see the engine life being significantly shortened improving the engines ability to breathe on it's own with manifold work, worked heads, cams (maybe shorten the valvetrain if you don't upgrade it all up top), headers..etc. __________________ -Bill...the Camaro was my wifes, now she's got a minivan Challenger- 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8 Procharger D1 Supercharger: 10.895 @ 126.720 MPH

11-10-2011, 10:15 AM	#109
bmwdon I refuse to go smurfy Drives: 2009 Challenger SRT8, 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MD Posts: 1,321	maybe trying to spin the motor past it's factory rpms without considerable internal balancing would cause it to come apart prematurely in the NA world. __________________ -Bill...the Camaro was my wifes, now she's got a minivan Challenger- 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8 Procharger D1 Supercharger: 10.895 @ 126.720 MPH

11-10-2011, 12:49 PM	#116
bmorecam Account Suspended Drives: jealous vendors mad!! HAHA!! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CYBERGMONSTER@GMAIL.COM Posts: 3,705 View My Garage	We know that increasing the runner length will increase torque down low, and we also know that porting will mostly affect hp at higher rpm. So with this in mind I think once I have a dyno graph for everyone to review we can roughly get an idea of what came from what. We also have mace's dyno plot and my previous dyno plots to compare with. Although we won't be able to figure out "exactly" how much was gained from individual part, I believe we can come close enough with the help of very knowledgeable folks here. Yesterday I had to put easy miles due to resetting the ecm and letting her relearn the new mods, but today I put her through some hard paces and let her have it. All I can say is I am very impressed I remember a while back I mentioned the lag in 3rd gear specifically from 2k-3k rpm wot even after the ported tb. Now with the mods, not only the lag is gone but you punch it right at 2k and you can actually feel the torque kicking in with seat in the pants feel. The highway cruising in 6th gear feel so easy now and it almost remind me of my v8 police interceptor on the highway. It seem the torque kicks in right around 2k rpm and just go from there. The high rpm does not feel flat anymore like it used to and instead it pull very strong to redline. The feel of difference is just undeniable. I can't put it off or downplay it because the extra power just won't let me. Im not going to say that I feel like I gained 40lb of tq down low but the torque is definitely the highlight of these 2 mods combined. When I was testing the e85 we seen 20rwhp peak on the dyno and I remember exactly how that felt. So if I have to compare hp vs hp these 2 mods combined feel alot stronger then 20rwhp we gained with e85 tuning. I guess we will have to wait and see if my butt dyno is calibrated correctly Also, in my situation I will definitely have to get everything retuned for the additions. My AFR went from the normal 12.5-12.7 to now 11.6-11.8 on wot. I am almost positive this is from the stage 3 aggressive removal and reshaping of the outlets. I already emailed vince to see what we can come up with as far as tuning for the additions so I will let you guys know once I get a reply from him. The rest of the parameter logging is on hold due to my netbook's battery completely going dead yesterday 2012 is going to be an awesome year for the N/A guys. Not just that, but the ifp guy just returned my email and said that their new tune which is their own engineering and software have seen gains up to 27rwhp on our LLT. He said that he will post up new dyno graphs soon. Cammed out n/a and supercharged LLT's in 2012 is going to be just insane Attached Images

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bmorecam Account Suspended Drives: jealous vendors mad!! HAHA!! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CYBERGMONSTER@GMAIL.COM Posts: 3,705 View My Garage	So all the car girls are in texas huh.. At least the pretty ones

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bmorecam Account Suspended Drives: jealous vendors mad!! HAHA!! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CYBERGMONSTER@GMAIL.COM Posts: 3,705 View My Garage	I guess that's not a bad thing. Some girls out here are waaaay too "i need to get my nails done" and it's only monday

11-10-2011, 09:10 AM	#107
bossbunny Mrs. Bunny to you Drives: The Sassiest V6 in the South! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cut 'N Shoot Texas Posts: 24,435	So Q: will this put more wear and tear on the engine or will it increase the life of the engine or no change?

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SC2150 Drives: 2001 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 8,061	Bunney, wish you were closer and we could use your car for some of the LLT R&D we do here....mod hungry owners are what we like!! Cant wait to see the results of this!! __________________ www.RevXtreme.com 941-721-1826 Turbo & Supercharging specialist VMax porting development from the begining RX Super Chiller

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SIXJAK Account Suspended Drives: MO's only SC'd LLT. Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Branson MO Posts: 2,466 View My Garage	Here, Here! Bmorcam you are the freaking bomb. I have sum mod money and am needing to mod. Mods are the new meth. How much for the intake and insulator(s)? And hrs to install? So I can know what to pay my monkey who turns the wrench for me? LOL Merry Christmas to me.

11-10-2011, 02:08 PM	#123
mhog Drives: 2010 V6 Camaro 2LT/RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: NC Posts: 391 View My Garage	We have to find out what Vararam can do for us. I don't want to change it, but depending on the hard numbers I'd have to think about it.

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