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Old 11-10-2011, 05:18 AM   #26
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Why does the picture look like it has a a turbo?
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Old 11-10-2011, 07:38 AM   #27
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It looks like a pro Charger to me
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:06 AM   #28
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To up the boost is just a pulley change... However ever I'm wondering if they are only doing 435 HP due to the fueling issue...
Exactly what I was thinking.
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:08 AM   #29
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isn the price a bit high for 435Hp and 360Tq? i mean for like athousand more you can go turbo and have more then that?
Where did you find the price I don't see anything.
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It looks like a pro Charger to me
because it's a centrifugal supercharger. this technology is nothing new...
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:22 AM   #31
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Where did you find the price I don't see anything.
Its in the market place already for $5590 !

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Old 11-10-2011, 08:26 AM   #32
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because it's a centrifugal supercharger. this technology is nothing new...
Vortech went to a self-contained, self-oiling system so it now looks more like a ProCharger unit... Used to have oil lines running to and from a Vortech unit...

my old stang... you can see the oil feed line on the left:

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Vortech went to a self-contained, self-oiling system so it now looks more like a ProCharger unit... Used to have oil lines running to and from a Vortech unit...

my old stang... you can see the oil feed line on the left:
looks like a hamster tunnel maze
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:31 AM   #34
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Very Cool! It looks like the vortech v5 that was used on the trd scion tc's or a vortech v3. Hopefully its a v3 so there won't be any need to run oil lines.

Also, it's interesting to note that the D3 supercharger system for the LLT also made 435bhp and 410tq http://www.d3cadillac.com/feature-ve...d3-cts-3-6di-s. I talked to D3 a while ago and they mentioned that to run more boost than reccomended will require the crank pulley to be pinned to the crank snout. Since both systems use the stock pulley, I'm guessing 435bhp @ X psi is the safe mark between the crank issue and fueling. All V8 supercharger systems have a crank pinning kit, I don't see one in the pic for this but hopefully its included.
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:38 AM   #35
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looks nice. cost seems pretty reasonable to me..especially since you could run any LT's and catbacks you may have in place.
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Going to 400hp + will require some major suspension and brake upgrades. What do you think guys ? Worth it or not ?
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Old 11-10-2011, 09:57 AM   #37
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Old 11-10-2011, 10:51 AM   #38
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Going to 400hp + will require some major suspension and brake upgrades. What do you think guys ? Worth it or not ?
It might but I have already upgraded to OEM Brembos, and suspension will be easy.

This setup is what we have been waiting for V8 power now you only have to decided is it worth spending the $6k for the system or just trade up to a V8 SS. I myself will add the system IMHO a SC V6 that can keep up with a V8 SS would be cool not to menton suprise the hell out of V8 guys.

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They are using a Vortech V-3 unit, so no oil lines. Plus, you get the unparalleled efficiency, reliability, and longevity that you can only get from a Vortech Supercharger.

According to the literature I read, they are offering the systems in black or polished finishes.
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Old 11-10-2011, 11:02 AM   #40
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Anything's worth it if you want it. Just like the turbo guys now, I'm sure you'll want better traction and more forward thrust with less vertical movement to take advantage of all that power. As far as comparing the price of the system to turbo systems currently available for our vehicles, I'd recommend comparing these prices against the prices of superchargers and turbos for the SS. Seems to me that this is a good price for a supercharger for the amount of power it's providing.
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Personally I would like to see some real life chassis dyno numbers before I would talk about the amount of power... the dyno sheet they show definitely is an engine dyno sheet... makes me wonder if they simply took say the number off of this engine dyno sheet, plugged some of the numbers into Excel and made their own baseline:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90576

makes me wonder if IPF is just "doing the math" to come up with their 435 HP.... ??? Yes, they have a car... yes, they had it to SEMA... no, that doesn't mean it actually runs...
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Old 11-10-2011, 11:53 AM   #42
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Anything's worth it if you want it. Just like the turbo guys now, I'm sure you'll want better traction and more forward thrust with less vertical movement to take advantage of all that power. As far as comparing the price of the system to turbo systems currently available for our vehicles, I'd recommend comparing these prices against the prices of superchargers and turbos for the SS. Seems to me that this is a good price for a supercharger for the amount of power it's providing.
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Turbo's for the LLT's run close to $2k more than this kit. And you have less chances of melting the turbo or detonating your motor. Basically it's good reliable power with hardly no maintenance compared to a turbo kit. And the price is on pare with the Mustang kit's which is a better comparison.
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Old 11-10-2011, 12:44 PM   #43
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Turbo's for the LLT's run close to $2k more than this kit. And you have less chances of melting the turbo or detonating your motor. Basically it's good reliable power with hardly no maintenance compared to a turbo kit. And the price is on pare with the Mustang kit's which is a better comparison.
Where are you guys getting your numbers, the proven RX Performance base twin turbo kit is only $5999 for the same amount of hp and more. I think the sts is near the same price too.

You are correct in the fact that centrifugal superchargers may have less maintainence IF a problem occurs since there are less parts but there is also a reason why exhaust driven superchargers are used in most factory vehicles. The parts for turbos are cheap to replace and turbos last just as long as centrifugals if treated right. Also power can be upped on a turbo at the push of a button while average centri systems need a pulley swap, new belt ect.

I do like the ease of installation of a centrifugal system though, especially ones that run with the stock belt and have a self contained oiling system.
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Personally I would like to see some real life chassis dyno numbers before I would talk about the amount of power... the dyno sheet they show definitely is an engine dyno sheet... makes me wonder if they simply took say the number off of this engine dyno sheet, plugged some of the numbers into Excel and made their own baseline:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90576

makes me wonder if IPF is just "doing the math" to come up with their 435 HP.... ??? Yes, they have a car... yes, they had it to SEMA... no, that doesn't mean it actually runs...
Well we have all learned on this board that Dyno Sheets arent everything. I really want to see these cars run and post up some vids and time slips. Hopefully IPF will do that soon, before winter sets in.
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I can tell you that IPF is partly-owned by one quite well-known German tuning company which I heard mostly good things of. I even use parts of them in my Speedster. Usually I rely on their products, but I am also aware that this Supercharger Kit is kind of unique in the moment. I am VERY interested in it, but I wait for a couple of months to read some reviews and experiences.

Basically I am a Turbo guy, but since I've been waiting for a smart turbo kit for two years now, I just got tired. I'd never install a turbocharger at the bottom of my Camaro, since I use it all year (also in winter) here in snowy Austria. The turbo would be unprotected against dirt, salt (from de-icing the streets in winter) and mechanical impacts, I am pretty sure I'd brake it within half a year. Also I only read about problems with increased boosts, so all the currently offered turbo kits don't make sense to me, even though I'd prefer a turbo over a supercharger. The turbo produces a lot more torque which I personally like, but which is also stressing the power train and clutch. Bonus of the supercharger is a quicker spool since it is powered by belt and not by exhausts. I am waiting for the European pricing of the IPF kit and will probably get one then, maybe next spring.
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I can tell you that IPF is partly-owned by one quite well-known German tuning company which I heard mostly good things of. I even use parts of them in my Speedster. Usually I rely on their products, but I am also aware that this Supercharger Kit is kind of unique in the moment. I am VERY interested in it, but I wait for a couple of months to read some reviews and experiences.

Basically I am a Turbo guy, but since I've been waiting for a smart turbo kit for two years now, I just got tired. I'd never install a turbocharger at the bottom of my Camaro, since I use it all year (also in winter) here in snowy Austria. The turbo would be unprotected against dirt, salt (from de-icing the streets in winter) and mechanical impacts, I am pretty sure I'd brake it within half a year. Also I only read about problems with increased boosts, so all the currently offered turbo kits don't make sense to me, even though I'd prefer a turbo over a supercharger. The turbo produces a lot more torque which I personally like, but which is also stressing the power train and clutch. Bonus of the supercharger is a quicker spool since it is powered by belt and not by exhausts. I am waiting for the European pricing of the IPF kit and will probably get one then, maybe next spring.
I think a lot of people on Camaro5 had the same concerns. I know I did!

I didn't want to do a remote mount, because we do regular drives to the snow in the winter, and the roads are all de-iced with heavy salt. Also, the car is daily driven.

This supercharger kit seems to address those issues. Low boost, and it's nice and safe under the hood. I'd like a turbo, but this kit seems to make decent power while maintaing daily drivability, and it has a warranty.

I wonder though, if they'll offer options for more power. I'd like it to be a bit more powerful than 435 bhp. 400 RWHP would be great!
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Where are you guys getting your numbers, the proven RX Performance base twin turbo kit is only $5999 for the same amount of hp and more. I think the sts is near the same price too.

You are correct in the fact that centrifugal superchargers may have less maintainence IF a problem occurs since there are less parts but there is also a reason why exhaust driven superchargers are used in most factory vehicles. The parts for turbos are cheap to replace and turbos last just as long as centrifugals if treated right. Also power can be upped on a turbo at the push of a button while average centri systems need a pulley swap, new belt ect.

I do like the ease of installation of a centrifugal system though, especially ones that run with the stock belt and have a self contained oiling system.
You are right, I had the "install and tune" price confused with just buying the turbo kit price. I sent Tracy a PM asking for an update on his future LLT parts. And in there he wrote the break down of the kit. And equals about the same as the SC kit.
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Here are some replies I got from them

Retail price on the kit is $5600 and it is available with a supplemental 3/36k warranty for an additional $375.

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Horsepower numbers are at the crank. 5-6 hour install with no modifications. We utilize our tuning technology with our IPF tuner (more information on our Facebook page).

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What exactly does this Warranty cover?
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