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Old 01-21-2009, 10:05 PM   #1
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V6 Supercharger or Turbocharger?

Hey guys, since i know alot of you here are very genious when it comes to this stuff, i wanted to know which is more cost effective and better when it comes to our v6, would it be the supercharger or the turbo?
I know ive heard that turbos tend to give more power but then theres turbolag. I personally love the sound of a supercharger, and i really want a good power adder, just dont know which is more cost effective, safer to run, and better.
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Hey guys, since i know alot of you here are very genious when it comes to this stuff, i wanted to know which is more cost effective and better when it comes to our v6, would it be the supercharger or the turbo?
I know ive heard that turbos tend to give more power but then theres turbolag. I personally love the sound of a supercharger, and i really want a good power adder, just dont know which is more cost effective, safer to run, and better.
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Old 01-22-2009, 02:29 AM   #3
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Im going with a twin screw Super. Most likey the D3's from the CTS. Hopefully its twin screw.
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Im going with a twin screw Super. Most likey the D3's from the CTS. Hopefully its twin screw.
it is. d3 uses current stuff for thier upgrades so using a roots sc would be out of the question.
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Hey guys, since i know alot of you here are very genious when it comes to this stuff, i wanted to know which is more cost effective and better when it comes to our v6, would it be the supercharger or the turbo?
I know ive heard that turbos tend to give more power but then theres turbolag. I personally love the sound of a supercharger, and i really want a good power adder, just dont know which is more cost effective, safer to run, and better.
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Anyone chime in on this if im wrong but brother i thank they have the turbolag beat im prity sure that on all the new cars that iv read about don t have that problem any more. from what iv heard from other's on the site the supercharger would be better but im not an engine expert so im not sure if it is a big deal with that direct injection witch one would be better on that motor
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Old 01-22-2009, 09:33 AM   #6
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Anyone chime in on this if im wrong but brother i thank they have the turbolag beat im prity sure that on all the new cars that iv read about don t have that problem any more. from what iv heard from other's on the site the supercharger would be better but im not an engine expert so im not sure if it is a big deal with that direct injection witch one would be better on that motor
they have turbo lag knocked down to bare minimal, but its still there, it can't go away, its just the nature of the beast. they have gotten it down so soon that most people wouldnt even notice the lag

personally i like the Kenne Bell twin screw, id put one on my motorcycle if i could
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Old 01-22-2009, 10:39 AM   #7
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From everything i've read, i'm seeing that DI and turbo's go together like bread and butter. I cant wait to see what a turbo kit will do to this car.

About turbo lag, its a tradeoff. If you want big power, there will be lag. if you throw on a smaller turbo it'll spool faster, but give you less power. so its all about finding the balance that suits what you want.
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:03 AM   #8
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I just love that supercharger whine sound. When a turbo valve blows off it always reminds me of a cat hissing or something.
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:07 AM   #9
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I just love that supercharger whine sound. When a turbo valve blows off it always reminds me of a cat hissing or something.
I agree, but it also attracts attention. With my cobalt, i have the GMPP sport exhaust, and since i threw on an intake, the whine is way louder than the exhaust. Got pulled over a while back because of it, i wasnt even speeding (yet). Just making a lot of noise. But other than attracting attention, i agree, supercharger whine> turbo blow off.

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Well a turbo does have more potential when it comes down to it. There is a great tv show on the subject where they were talking to Gale Banks. Here is the link There are 2 parts, the second part is on the right side. I found this very helpful and suggest watching it. What I took from it is that a supercharger is good while a turbo is great, there is more potential with a turbo, but for street cars I don't think it will get to the point where a good blower will be maxed out, so it's a personal choice.
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Thanks guys, you have been informing as always, now i just have to save some more green to get more power, but i have to agree, the whine of a supercharger is just pure sex.
We'll just wait and see, its really only a season away
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Also alot of people kill their turbos by not letting the car run at idle for about 1 minute before shuting of the engine. You have to remember to do that or you will ware it out.
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I just love that supercharger whine sound. When a turbo valve blows off it always reminds me of a cat hissing or something.
it sounds like a sneeze to me
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Old 01-24-2009, 11:07 AM   #15
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Well a turbo does have more potential when it comes down to it. There is a great tv show on the subject where they were talking to Gale Banks. Here is the link There are 2 parts, the second part is on the right side. I found this very helpful and suggest watching it. What I took from it is that a supercharger is good while a turbo is great, there is more potential with a turbo, but for street cars I don't think it will get to the point where a good blower will be maxed out, so it's a personal choice.
it only has more potential because its exhaust driven apposed to belt driven, so theres no parasitic loss from using it. the more boost you make in a blower makes it harder to turn, making the engine have to work harder just to turn the blower. high boost in a turbo just makes more lag, which is why people run twin turbos, if you want say 12psi, you just run 6psi from each and then only have the lag associated with 6psi

but ive never seen a car thats maxed out a blower, they just start getting belt slippage, which then all you need is a wider cog belt
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Also alot of people kill their turbos by not letting the car run at idle for about 1 minute before shuting of the engine. You have to remember to do that or you will ware it out.
Urban myth. If that were true then factory cars would come standard with turbo timers. Yet there are Saabs and Volvos that have been turbo for 20 yeas and still run fine. Now if you just went balls-to-the-wall long enough to get your EGTs way up there, then yeah you want to let it cool, but as long as you didn't shut it off immediately after a run there's nothing to worry about.
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it sounds like a sneeze to me
There are tons of aftermarket valves and they all sound unique.
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...high boost in a turbo just makes more lag, which is why people run twin turbos, if you want say 12psi, you just run 6psi from each and then only have the lag associated with 6psi
Nope. More boost does not mean more lag. If the turbo makes 12 PSI at 1800 RPM, it will make that no matter how much you are going to boost. There is a happy medium that can easily be attained by a streeted machine that would offer next to no lag and plenty of power. If you slap a T78 on a Honda...yeah that little squirt isn't going to makt boost quickly...it makes no sense. But throw a T76 or twin T60s on a V-8 and you will have very usable power immediately.
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but ive never seen a car thats maxed out a blower, they just start getting belt slippage, which then all you need is a wider cog belt
It's just as easy to max a blower as a turbo. Once you get to the point that a compressor (SC or TC) can't keep pressure up because a larger engine is sucking it in faster than it can compress it, you will have maxed it out. They are equal in that respect. The difference is, once you have maxed a blower out (smallest pulley possible, etc) there's the expensive task of completely replacing it. Once you max a turbo out, all you do is unbolt it and throw a bigger one on (or just change the compressor, which saves more costs). THAT'S why turbos are considered to be more potential...and bang for your buck. There's an unlimited amount of combinations of housings/compressors/exhausts that can fine tune the response of an application.

Not attacking you, I'm just a boostaholic, and I love turbos....I dislike misinformation.
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I live right by Gale Banks Engineering. In fact I've met the man and he's on good terms with my father-in-law. I think I'll see what they can do with their turbos.
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I live right by Gale Banks Engineering. In fact I've met the man and he's on good terms with my father-in-law. I think I'll see what they can do with their turbos.
At least 1 hp improvement.

Personally, I'm going to wait for a good kit to come out before I consider anything seriously.
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I agree, just wait and see what kits are released and then evaluate them when you are ready to buy. It's easy to want to look ahead but there's not much point to that unless you are wanting to do something custom, which is not a very practical idea for most people. Just comparing generic supercharger vs generic turbo is a debate that goes in circles, with no real purpose or end.
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I agree, just wait and see what kits are released and then evaluate them when you are ready to buy. It's easy to want to look ahead but there's not much point to that unless you are wanting to do something custom, which is not a very practical idea for most people. Just comparing generic supercharger vs generic turbo is a debate that goes in circles, with no real purpose or end.
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Okay noob question... Pro Charger.. Isn't that the same concept as Turbo.. it takes HP to do.. ? Or is Pro Charger just a version of a super charger.. ?

Sorry don't mean to toss another thing into the mix.
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Okay noob question... Pro Charger.. Or is Pro Charger just a version of a super charger.. ?
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Thats a procharger, it kinda looks like a turbo but it's still belt driven like a supercharger.


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Isn't that the same concept as Turbo.. it takes HP to do.. ?
And you have the concept of a turbo and supercharger mixed up. A supercharger requires some ammount of horsepower to spin the pulley. A turbo works off the exhaust gas from the car, which requires much less energy to spin.

I could be wrong on this so please chime in If I'm wrong.
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And you have the concept of a turbo and supercharger mixed up. A supercharger requires some ammount of horsepower to spin the pulley. A turbo works off the exhaust gas from the car, which requires much less energy to spin.

I could be wrong on this so please chime in If I'm wrong.
Nah you're right, i just said the wrong thing, super charger is what i ment since its belt driven.

I just never have understood what a procharger is... Is it like a mix of the 2, super/turbo..?
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Nah you're right, i just said the wrong thing, super charger is what i ment since its belt driven.

I just never have understood what a procharger is... Is it like a mix of the 2, super/turbo..?
procharger is a brand name.

centrifugal superchargers. basically take a turbo, remove the exhaust driven turbine side and put a belt driven gear setup on it instead.
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procharger is a brand name.

centrifugal superchargers. basically take a turbo, remove the exhaust driven turbine side and put a belt driven gear setup on it instead.
He's right....for once.
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