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Old 11-15-2011, 02:34 PM   #251
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yea then how much???
1300 Man 2600 Auto seems like a popular guess.

Then options;

Six-speed automatic transmission with TapShift controls is $1,185
20-inch, bright aluminum wheel package is $470
Power sunroof is $900
Stripe package is $470
Exposed-weave carbon fiber hood insert is $600
The suede package, including suede microfiber accents on the steering wheel, shift knob, and shift boot is $500

Then Sales Tax

Then markup if any

Then LPO options if any
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:36 PM   #252
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For $54k msrp you are getting a factory warrantied 11sec car. Gm is not going to post up hero run times. I bet these run high 11 all day with that 119 speed.
I checked Dragtimes for Shelby GT500 ETs and MPH and found one running 119.440 MPH and it ran an 11.95 which is consistent with the GM claim for the ZL1. When you look at the mods on the Shelby you see it's not stock and it's running Drag Radials. So if the ZL1 runs those times on street tires, your imagination will see it running mid 11s. Very interesting days ahead!!!
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:40 PM   #253
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1300 Man 2600 Auto seems like a popular guess.

Then options;

Six-speed automatic transmission with TapShift controls is $1,185
20-inch, bright aluminum wheel package is $470
Power sunroof is $900
Stripe package is $470
Exposed-weave carbon fiber hood insert is $600
The suede package, including suede microfiber accents on the steering wheel, shift knob, and shift boot is $500

Then Sales Tax

Then markup if any

Then LPO options if any

I know someone else brought this up but I agree with them, why does the suede package on the ZL1 cost $500 when it costs $300 on the CTS-V? They both only include the steering wheel and shifter so I'm not getting the logic. If any of these two should have a premium attached to it, it should be the Caddy IMO.

Not a huge issue, but it is a head scratcher.

One the other hand, I'm pleasantly surprised with the $600 exposed carbon fiber insert option. I thought that one would come in at between $500-1000, so the price released is definitely on the low end of that scale.
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:43 PM   #254
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Does anyone feel that these numbers may be fudged a bit?

How can a car with a better suspension, 200lbs light and 24 more HP be .1 slower than its more distinguished brother (CTS-V)? is the torgue the same or something.

I wonder if GM understated their numbers since they may have anticipitated the release of the new GT500 model.
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:43 PM   #255
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Pre tax - real price, no options (exception 6 speed auto)

Manual
$54,995 + GGT $1300.00 = $56,255

Auto
$54,995 + GGT $2600.00 + 6 Speed Auto + $1185.00 = $57,740.00

So nearly $58K for the auto (pre tax).
Your math is off on the auto. Would be $58780!
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:44 PM   #256
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Guess, I was pretty close when I said the ZL1 would be in the mid 50's. Now I just wish I could afford to get ahold of one.
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:44 PM   #257
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i added it up give or take it will be about 62k out the door... with auto.. leather... footwells.. tax gg and sales... bout around there
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:53 PM   #258
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Figures

Just as GM intoduces the ZL1 Convertible at the LA show Ford hits everyone in the butt with a 650 HP Shelby GT 500. Great PR people at Ford. Looks like it it will be a fun ride till the government puts a cap on it. Enjoy it while we can.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:04 PM   #259
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Looks like it it will be a fun ride till the government puts a cap on it. Enjoy it while we can.
True that but one reason we pay the gas guzzler tax is uncle
Sam is getting his. The longer unc sam is happy we can still play with
No cap. Im sure the govt is happy we buy them. More fuel sales.
Putting money right bacl into the economy.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:07 PM   #260
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I've said all along this car would be priced in the mid fifties, in the same ballpark of a performance package GT500.

But with the announcement today of the 650hp no gas guzzler tax GT500, it looks like Fords both out-powered and under-priced the ZL1.
My logic was sound as well in comparing it to the GT500 price with the performance package (especially since the dealer reference guide listed that as the main competition and listed all the things the GT500 didn't have) an educated person would assume then to take the MSRP of the GT500 and add the performance package option's price to get the rough price of the ZL1...exactly what GM did.

however, there is no word yet on whether or not the 2013 GT500 will not be hit with the GG tax...with all that power I would be shocked if it didn't have a GG tax and would seriously to Ford on that one
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:10 PM   #261
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Man all you guys that might be getting one y'all are going to have an absolute blast..! This thing is a beast with a reasonable price. I wish I could get one.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:12 PM   #262
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Funny thing is part of me wants to put my order on hold for a 2013 ZL1 in hopes that CHEVY will fire back at FORD's new GT500. But then my logic kicks in and since the 2013 ZL1 Convertible will be released next year too I doubt Chevy is going to go back to the drawing board on the Coupe and then have to redo some things on the Convertible in time (since they must match performance wise) for MY 2013. So I think I'll stick to the 2012...if anything maybe colors will change and the CF interior options added to the list.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:16 PM   #263
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Price isn't that bad. I didn't supercharge my car yet. Don't know if I should buy a ZL1 or turbocharge my car. Cant wait to see one on the road. What are the new gt500's doing in 1/4 mile and 0-60?
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:23 PM   #264
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So I was almost on the money with my guess at :
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...66#post4006766

Little surprised about the GG on A6 at $2600, but still within my guess of $62,500 and ZL1 is a steal at that price.

I spent that on a so called UNIQUE AUTO SPORTS edition Camaro (niow Veteran1) with none of the performance upgrades the ZL1 has.

I know my dealer "Becky Doyle at Rodgers Chevrolet" is doing no DEALER MARK-UP on my ZL1 purchase, so happy with the price released!
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:24 PM   #265
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The zl1 is overpriced it should be under 50k in this economy it won't sell good, times are getting bad,
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:29 PM   #266
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Does anyone feel that these numbers may be fudged a bit?

How can a car with a better suspension, 200lbs light and 24 more HP be .1 slower than its more distinguished brother (CTS-V)? is the torgue the same or something.

I wonder if GM understated their numbers since they may have anticipitated the release of the new GT500 model.
It's hard to fudge #'s these days.......but you can get your HP/TQ figures by testing in a room thats 85 degrees or more with high humidity....something like what they did with the 392
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:29 PM   #267
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Sweet... a 54k car with a 119 mph trap time and 7.41 ring time...

Count me in...

Great Job GM...
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I'd be curious of the fuel mileage numbers. My car still get's 25 mpg on the interstate and 18 around town.
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For the past few weeks, Chevrolet has been releasing information regarding the development of the new Camaro ZL1 in an attempt to explain what goes into Chevrolet’s most powerful, technologically advanced Camaro. If the response from the initial ordering activities is any indication, the story has been well received.

Today, as part of the first public showing of the 2013 Camaro ZL1 Convertible at the LA Auto Show, Chevrolet is pleased to announce the Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) for the 2012 Camaro ZL1 Coupe will start at $54,095.

This base MSRP does not include the customary Camaro DFC of $900. It also does not include tax, title, license or other fees such as the “Gas Guzzler Tax” of $1300 for models equipped with the six speed manual transmission or $2600 for models equipped with the six speed automatic transmission.

In part, the “Gas Guzzler Tax” is calculated based on the EPA fuel economy estimates of 14 MPG City / 19 MPG Highway for the 2012 Camaro ZL1 with the standard six speed manual transmission; and 12 MPG City / 18 MPG Highway for the 2012 Camaro ZL1 with the optional six speed automatic transmission.

Attached for your reference is the press release issued today regarding the 2012 Camaro ZL1 that not only includes the price but some key performance figures such as a top speed of 184 MPH with the optional six speed automatic transmission.

A new 2012 Camaro price schedule featuring the model and option prices for the 2012 Camaro ZL1 will be posted on GMPricing.com (available through GM DealerWorld web portal) starting Wednesday, November 16, 2011. MSRP will also start to populate the various order configurators within a few weeks. Please remember that all GM Price Schedules are GM Confidential and should never be released or posted on any public websites.

Finally, there was an issue with the Exposed Carbon Fiber Weave Hood Insert option (RPO: B92) not being available in the order configurator when ordering started a few weeks ago. The issue has been resolved, and the option is now available for ordering and/or available to be added to existing orders.

The appearance of this option code also helps clarify the optional ZL1 roof and rear deck lid stripe availability. If the Exposed Carbon Fiber Weave Hood Insert (RPO: B92) is ordered and a stripe is desired, the only available stripe is gray (RPO: DSW). If the Exposed Carbon Fiber Weave Hood Insert (RPO: B92) is NOT ordered, but a stripe is still desired, the only available stripe is black (RPO: DSX).

Thank you for your continued support of Camaro, and look forward to the 2012 Camaro ZL1 coupe starting to show up on the road in the Spring of 2012.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:38 PM   #270
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great car and great price. still the most bang for your buck. it is a CAMARO people.

TOO MUCH WHINING.... gee whiz, just be glad the car is actually being released. if you don't like it, don't buy it.

I think people forget that we are lucky gm made it out of bankruptcy and we have camaros in the first place...
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In part, the “Gas Guzzler Tax” is calculated based on the EPA fuel economy estimates of 14 MPG City / 19 MPG Highway for the 2012 Camaro ZL1 with the standard six speed manual transmission; and 12 MPG City / 18 MPG Highway for the 2012 Camaro ZL1 with the optional six speed automatic transmission.
Holy crap.

Ya, I missed that.

Why so low I wonder? Most of the supercharged SS cars and even cammed ones are getting MUCH better than that.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:42 PM   #272
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Holy crap.

Ya, I missed that.

Why so low I wonder? Most of the supercharged SS cars and even cammed ones are getting MUCH better than that.
Maybe that whole 50 state legal thing they have to adhere to, along with many other issues to deal with that we don't when choosing aftermarket tuners and parts..
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Holy crap.

Ya, I missed that.

Why so low I wonder? Most of the supercharged SS cars and even cammed ones are getting MUCH better than that.
Downforce plays a part I'm sure. Different engine / gearing / more weight / tires?
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Holy crap.

Ya, I missed that.

Why so low I wonder? Most of the supercharged SS cars and even cammed ones are getting MUCH better than that.
Once you get those lead weights you call wheels in motion they act like a perpetual motion machine and just keep going and going and going
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Once you get those lead weights you call wheels in motion they act like a perpetual motion machine and just keep going and going and going
LMFAO

I never knew donk wheel owners were such environmentalists.

Just poking fun
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