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Old 11-15-2011, 10:14 AM   #76
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LOL. Why is it that ford always seems a year behind in the horsepower? Chevy had in the works for a 2012 camaro ZL1 and then for 2013 ford releases its GT500 with so much power... Do they not realize that, that gives chevy ammo or a goal to shoot for in one year? For 2012 the camaro is still the car to beat STOCK VS STOCK in this war. Not a 2012 vs 2013 or a 2011 vs 2012 or however these magazines compare them. I am tired of different year comparisons. Do a straight up base camaro and mustang NON-PAID for or BIAS run on them both, then the same for the top of the line camaro and mustang out of the FORD or CHEVY factory and lets see who wins. That means Shelby Mustangs are out. If they were in, that means Hennessy camaro would beat it hands down EVERY time. So factory built only cars, and guess what... camaro wins. No matter what you say a shelby mustang is NOT FORD BUILT. It is SHELBY factory built. The camaro ZL1 is CHEVY/GM built. Let the bashing and stupid talk BEGIN!!!!!!! MUAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Loving the new ZL1. Wonder what we'll get dinged here in Canada, as the Boss was nearly 10K more north of the border. As for the Shelby, not being a Ford, sorry but you are wrong. The GT500 will be built by Ford's SVT team at the AutoAlliance International Plant in Flat Rock Michigan alongside all the other Mustangs.
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Old 11-15-2011, 10:14 AM   #77
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Love the car... but, comparing it to an R8 and Mercedes etc. is just crazy - it's still a pony car! 6K above a GT500 - too much, these are comparable cars each with features the other does not have. Plus at 20K above a 2SS is way too rich for my blood. Makes sense if you are going to heavily modify a 2SS anyway but otherwise not good value. For me, this just took a turn towards the '90's GM where the camaro became priced at a premium above the stang for no justifiable reason. IMHO.
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Old 11-15-2011, 10:14 AM   #78
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Wonder what that price is gonna equate to here in Canada!!
lets not start to think about that... 60k+
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Old 11-15-2011, 10:17 AM   #79
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Unfortunately my neighbor drives a new Porsche Turbo. Even the ZR1 Vette doesn't get the job done in a straight line drag race.

But who's willing to spend $160K for a toy? That does make the ZL1 Camaro seem inexpensive.

But like I said in the previous post. For the people who have money, its no big deal spending $60K. Its the working man with a wife and kids, that's got a real hard job convincing the wife he's needs a $60K Camaro.
I might be able to make your job easier.

The 2012 Camaro just aced the new tougher crash safety testing (top score all all 6 test) and its currently the only car on the market that has aced the new test (out of something like 49 cars tested).

You need a 2012 Camaro because you care about the safety of your kids obviously.
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Nice, a lot of car for the money. Interesting on the top speed part - I wonder if it's gearing with an extra tall 6th. Most cars with 580hp can hit 200mph or so.

Hopefully the interior will have some nice upgrades and redesign.

I'm very disappointed with the weight gain however but expected in these times unfortunately.

Those comparing the straightline performance to their modded SS, there seems to be no comparison in terms of the road circuit. Suspension, coolers, etc.

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Me too. Funny comparison.
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Old 11-15-2011, 10:20 AM   #81
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So, you're saying it's not going to be $45k?
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Old 11-15-2011, 10:21 AM   #82
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And this morning I am!

I was hoping for 1 tenth better to 60 and a couple tenths better in the 1/4 and the rolling start thing has me confused...

But this morning I am definately happy to be getting this car! Now who's going to be the first to brave a tune on this thing with a pulley and long tubes!?
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Old 11-15-2011, 10:21 AM   #83
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This was the greatest email I had in my inbox this morning. $54k is a bargin! I do wish i was in the market to upgrade. If only I didnt love my SS so much.
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Old 11-15-2011, 10:22 AM   #84
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While I'm a Camaro nut as I have 4, I think the camaro's problem is its weight. It needs to lose some 500lbs

What was the weight difference between a 67 camaro and a 67 stang?
1967 Camaro weight approx. 2,800 lbs.
1967 Mustang weight approx. 2,600 lbs.
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I've said all along this car would be priced in the mid fifties, in the same ballpark of a performance package GT500.

But with the announcement today of the 650hp no gas guzzler tax GT500, it looks like Fords both out-powered and under-priced the ZL1.
Electric dampers don't necessarily mean active, like ZL1, so I'm not counting anyone out yet. That power is impressive, but won't mean a thing if it can't use it.

Still - even considering the GG, ZL1 is a bargain with it's technology. Besides - this just adds more fuel for a Track Pack option (remember that ZL1 with the extra slot in the hood?...)

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Nice, a lot of car for the money. Interesting on the top speed part - I wonder if it's gearing with an extra tall 6th. Most cars with 580hp can hit 200mph or so.

Hopefully the interior will have some nice upgrades and redesign.

I'm very disappointed with the weight gain however but expected in these times unfortunately.

Those comparing the straightline performance to their modded SS, there seems to be no comparison in terms of the road circuit. Suspension, coolers, etc.



Me too. Funny comparison.
Top speed must be reached in 6th, because in 5th, at the 'Ring, it was running on the limiter at 170. I believe ZL1 is drag-limited. So long as the aero'-tweeks that lower top speed benefit track performance (which I know it does), then I'm good with that That's nothing another easy 100-horse bolt-ons won't take care of
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Old 11-15-2011, 10:23 AM   #86
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sooooo. in regards to the rolling start... ZERO-60 is what 4.2 then for the manual if rolling is 4.0? what is the stock ss 4.6?
Manual is 4.0 from rolling start4.. If you can get traction from standing start with tires, etc it would be quicker.
The SS at 4.6 is standing start and 4.0 to 4.6 is big difference.
A good driver would be quicker than 4.0 with the manual
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Old 11-15-2011, 10:23 AM   #87
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$54K is a little bit higher than what I was hoping for, but considering everything that went into the ZL1, that's reasonable and it comes in under my "possible reconsideration point" of $55K.......so ultimately, I'm happy with the price.

12.1 for the manual is pretty quick, but maybe I'm hard to please.....I was hoping for a tenth or two faster. Like Scarrzz said, it shouldn't take much to get in the 11's.

Don't get me wrong, it's still , just not quite the I was hoping for.
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Not too far off of my prediction from a month ago. Not sure about the top speed being 10 mph less but it could be the drag coefficient.
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Old 11-15-2011, 10:24 AM   #89
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When I say I'd rather spend the extra on a CTS-V Coupe... keep in mind they've been discounted a lot at dealerships enough so that you can get them in the mid $50k's... Don't believe me... call a dearler!
For the '12 model? I don't think so
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So, you're saying it's not going to be $45k?
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1/4 mile and 0 to 60 can not be measured from a roll. 5 to 60 could be, but not zero. Come on GM, you have pro drivers and are proud to state the time at the 'ring', why not give the customer the straight scoop on what your pro drivers were able to pull off in a straight line? I don't recall such a coment when the original ZL1 was tested in 69. And it was on crap tires and suspension compared to this beast.

Price is too far out of my reach because I am not in a place in life where I can afford to have a garage queen, but it is very good for this level of a car. I am very impressed with the car and it's price and would love to eventually have one.
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Old 11-15-2011, 10:26 AM   #92
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I donr understand the $600 carbon fiber hood insert option? I thought the car came with a carbon fiber insert hood standard?
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LOL. Why is it that ford always seems a year behind in the horsepower? Chevy had in the works for a 2012 camaro ZL1 and then for 2013 ford releases its GT500 with so much power... Do they not realize that, that gives chevy ammo or a goal to shoot for in one year?
Remember that we are already into the 2012 model year and 2013 model year is only 8 months from now. That does not leave much time for Chevrolet to react. The 2012 ZL1 will only be a half year model.
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well that puts me out of the picture,i was guessing around $49 to start,wow i was off a bit,would love to have one but can't afford,but even if i could afford that kinda payment,i'm not sure that i would get it,i just have a problem paying more of a note on a car than i do my house,im not saying it is priced too high cause it's not,not for what you get compared to other car's that this beast is competing with,i think it is acually a good deal for what ya get,just saying it is tooooo deep for my pockets.
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I donr understand the $600 carbon fiber hood insert option? I thought the car came with a carbon fiber insert hood standard?
The option is in the finish. $600 for exposed, clear coated carbon fiber. Black painted finish is included.
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LPlus at 20K above a 2SS is way too rich for my blood.
i don't think the ZL1 is intended to be an alternative to people interested in buying an SS. the ZL1 is effectively 150% more expensive.
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The option is in the finish. $600 for exposed, clear coated carbon fiber. Black painted finish is included.
gotcha should've read it more thoroughly,
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I donr understand the $600 carbon fiber hood insert option? I thought the car came with a carbon fiber insert hood standard?
u pay 600$ to expose it lol. its there standered but flat black.
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The auto beats out the manual in every category...
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[QUOTE=Deuuuce;4019763]

Those comparing the straightline performance to their modded SS, there seems to be no comparison in terms of the road circuit. Suspension, coolers, etc.

Not needed in my eyes......don't plan on road courses or hitting the circuit anytime soon. We drag race at our track here so I'm content with none of the gadgets. Great car......but it is a valid point to compare a modded SS to a ZL1 for a power and performance to cost comparison. Not all will race but those of us that do want the best bargain for the performance......and that's a heavily modded SS after the ZL1 base price. Not knocking the car at all but the price for a 12.0 is too much.
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