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Old 11-22-2011, 08:15 AM   #51
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i would guess due to the fueling issue

then engine can hold up to 600 hp on the crank. for those that do not know wheel hp and crank hp is a major difference . between your engine and your wheel thier is alot of power loss.

The fueling issue is a major problem which is any vendors are reading this they need to find us a fix.

Meth is used with the boost to lower the intake temps. its make more boost safer but nevertheless your stock intake manafold can only take so much pressure. Thier is so many combaintians of meth on the market most people use windshield washer fluid. some preformance shops call it boost juice some call it meth. the majority of the ones that arn't not windshield washer fluid. its 50% methonal and %)% dist. water. NOT TAP WATER>

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http://www.mk5cortinaestate.co.uk/calculator4.php

to see the diffenernce between wheel hp and crank hp. its not 100% but it gives you a general idea. most people like gm brag about crank hp numbers. because they look more inpressive.
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:52 AM   #52
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Ok so this is for Camaro 21, I spoke to ILTECH while they were showing your car. I asked about the oil issue. The information I received was it is from the pressure built up in the crank case. Since the STS Turbo is recommended up to 8 psi and you’re at 10 psi this causes more pressure in the crank case. Thus you needing a way to relieve that pressure. I am not sure if a Catch Can is there for crank case pressure. I thought the Catch Can worked off of vacuum. So to relieve the pressure in the crank case wouldn’t that be a breather? How is the breather routed when it’s removed from the throttle when adding a turbo? Is there a connection from the original to the?

Also I may have the PSI rating wrong as far as the STS Turbo is considered.
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:32 AM   #53
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then engine can hold up to 600 hp on the crank. for those that do not know wheel hp and crank hp is a major difference . between your engine and your wheel thier is alot of power loss.

The fueling issue is a major problem which is any vendors are reading this they need to find us a fix.

Meth is used with the boost to lower the intake temps. its make more boost safer but nevertheless your stock intake manafold can only take so much pressure. Thier is so many combaintians of meth on the market most people use windshield washer fluid. some preformance shops call it boost juice some call it meth. the majority of the ones that arn't not windshield washer fluid. its 50% methonal and %)% dist. water.
You are right. Meth also brings up the octane level.


You may be correct about the motor handling 600hp but so far there is not a fuel system to support that yet. 600hp would still be over 500rwhp and we all know that cant happen on this system yet
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Old 11-22-2011, 01:38 PM   #54
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Alright we got the catch can installed after calling Tracy and for anybody with the sts kit you have to change where the oil return line is so instead of being returned through the oil fill cap you return it on the drivers side rear manifold and put the breather where the oil cap is and run a line back to the intake of the turbo. Then you can get rid of the sts pcv system and cap off the line connected to the intake . Once we got it done the turbo spoiled up a lot faster
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Old 11-22-2011, 01:54 PM   #55
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Alright we got the catch can installed after calling Tracy and for anybody with the sts kit you have to change where the oil return line is so instead of being returned through the oil fill cap you return it on the drivers side rear manifold and put the breather where the oil cap is and run a line back to the intake of the turbo. Then you can get rid of the sts pcv system and cap off the line connected to the intake . Once we got it done the turbo spoiled up a lot faster
Awesome and for Tracy
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Old 11-22-2011, 03:04 PM   #56
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Another reason why I probably will go to tracy when i go FI. Very knowledgeable person especially on the LLT. He's been with us since the beginning.
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Alright we got the catch can installed after calling Tracy and for anybody with the sts kit you have to change where the oil return line is so instead of being returned through the oil fill cap you return it on the drivers side rear manifold and put the breather where the oil cap is and run a line back to the intake of the turbo. Then you can get rid of the sts pcv system and cap off the line connected to the intake . Once we got it done the turbo spoiled up a lot faster
Thinking another dyno is in your future. Good Job in getting the work done.
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:11 PM   #58
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Camaro-21

Who is Tracy? I think I have a catch can and crank case breather that is installed incorrectly and would like discuss via phone call. Is Tracy a certified mechanic or speed shop pro?
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:16 PM   #59
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Who is Tracy? I think I have a catch can and crank case breather that is installed incorrectly and would like discuss via phone call. Is Tracy a certified mechanic or speed shop pro?
The user SC2150 is Tracy, owner of RX Performance, very knowledgable and one of the best mechanics i've ever known
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Roger that, thanks for the info. I will make voice comms with them to discuss.
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Another reason why I probably will go to tracy when i go FI. Very knowledgeable person especially on the LLT. He's been with us since the beginning.
+1 he has been one step of everyone thus far.
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:30 PM   #62
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wow this is like bounds beyond a stock v8!
didn't know 3 psi more boost would make that much of a difference.

shouldn't this be able to easily out-accelerate a stock v8?
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:38 PM   #63
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well we will put it in crank numbers so its easier to compare and I don't piss any ss guys off. Ss comes stock at the crank at 426. At the crank I am around 537 at the crank. But wheel HP is alot different then crank HP.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:11 AM   #64
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Wow this thread is really getting interesting. Any vids yet? Dying to see......
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:47 AM   #65
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yeah he posted two vids in a thread below this
honestly can someone help me out here. Would it be cheaper to get the universal kit and bring it to a shop who has turbo experience to do it or would it be cheaper to get the specific kit. STS gives the details to their Camaro kit and im pretty sure you can get all the same parts in the universal kit
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Old 11-23-2011, 06:49 AM   #66
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Do not get universal kit. Its bad news. The shop that did mine put on on a rx8 and it took them forever if you buy it you still have to buy all the rest of parts the other ki
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Do not get universal kit. Its bad news. The shop that did mine put on on a rx8 and it took them forever if you buy it you still have to buy all the rest of parts the other ki
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thanks man! Def wont buy the universal kit then
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Do not get universal kit. Its bad news. The shop that did mine put on on a rx8 and it took them forever if you buy it you still have to buy all the rest of parts the other ki
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Two questions ( I may of missed this)

1. Who installed it?

2. Who tuned it?
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Extreme motors installed the turbo. Majestic motor sports installed the meth kit and dyno tuned.
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The LLT is a very different animal when it comes to FI and dealing with the crankcase pressure issue. Those that have our system know this first hand and it still appears we are the only true working solution on the market for boosted LLT DI motors. There are a ton of issues caused by it and all are working aginst the motor & the power produced (and a list of other issues such as oil leaks, etc.).

As for the fuel delivery, most DI pumps we can source that have the extra PSI we need (the LLT pump produces around 2600-2800 max and we need 3600 to provide for safe 500 rwhp) are rotary and the LLT pump is a plunger type that runs off of a lobe on the drivers side outer camshaft (exhaust cam) and Audi is one of the few with this plunger design.

We do have a system that will do all we need about 1/2 way ready for testing but were still a couple months away from releasing it. I will post up more when were closer with the results.
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Old 11-23-2011, 04:18 PM   #71
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And how.much power can this unreleased system could support?
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Old 12-02-2011, 07:45 PM   #72
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track tomorrow guys wish me luck
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very nice man, how much has this setup cost thus far?
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