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Old 11-21-2011, 09:51 AM   #1
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My idea for the Z28!

I think Chevrolet should build 3- different versions of a Z28

1. Make one that has track capabilities but is more affordable to the average Joe.
2. Make a middle of the road priced one around the $44,000 price point.
3. Make the Ultimate Z28 with more power than the new GT500 around 800hp or so.
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Old 11-21-2011, 09:54 AM   #2
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800hp? it's nice to dream, but you should be a little more realistic.
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Too conveluded. A big corporation needs to K.I.S.S. to make money and market a product.

Simple build the 1LE. Also build a 1LE with an LS7 and call it a Z28.
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I think Chevrolet should build 3- different versions of a Z28 1. Make one that has track capabilities but is more affordable to the average Joe.
2. Make a middle of the road priced one around the $44,000 price point.
3. Make the Ultimate Z28 with more power than the new GT500 around 800hp or so.
One version with options is all that's needed.
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One version with options is all that's needed.
Yeah thats true... And the LS7 should be an option for sure! It has to be unbelievably fast though. Because you know that Ford will then up the ante on the Boss and build a 427 version or something crazy. It needs to be upped to the point that Ford cant possibly counter it much.
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Yeah thats true... And the LS7 should be an option for sure! It has to be unbelievably fast though. Because you know that Ford will then up the ante on the Boss and build a 427 version or something crazy. It needs to be upped to the point that Ford cant possibly counter it much.
But, that is the fun. It's called competition. Ever watch car racing.
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This may be merely my opinion, but I whole-heartedly believe the "Z28", with an LS7 engine + accompanying performance parts needs to be strictly bare-bones when it comes to interior frills. My belief in this approach is two-fold, with neither of them being the common mention of weight reduction.

First, we are discussing a potential Z28 model that will not only fit into the current Camaro model lineup at a price point between the SS and the ZL1, but also as a model that does not directly compete with the SS nor the ZL1, thus cannibalizing sales of either of the two existing models. A manual transmission, hard top only, no frills, LS7 + performance parts Z28 is the ONLY way that such a feat is possible.

If the Z28 were to have leather interior, HUD, bluetooth, Ipod, Auto transmission, convertible top, or any other such features as options, it would risk taking sales away from the 2SS or even the ZL1. The 2SS should remain the top of the line frills wise for the middle of the road Camaro buyers, as should the ZL1 for the top of the line Camaro buyers. Those will be the differentiators in deciding on one of those two models as opposed to the Z28.

That way, the Z28 only risks eating a few 1SS sales. Which is the road of least loss for GM. One, because dealers almost never seem to have mere 1SS models on their lots, and two, the price difference will still lead many to choose the 1SS in many cases anyway. If not for price difference, then for the possibility of RS package, or auto transmission, or convertible top.

Second, we want to keep the price well below ZL1 money, but not too much more than 2SS money. Paying extra for performance only seems to me to be the only way a true Z28 could be made, fit into the lineup, and not risk eating sales of other models.

Heck, it could have crank up windows for all I care, so long as I'm paying for performance, anything else that cuts the overall cost down frills wise would be a good move in my book.

That's my 2 cents, for what it is worth.
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my opinion but the LS7 is going to be old hat soon if its not already..
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I just hope the Z28 is coming back for the new platform which is hopefully lighter than the current heavy weight perhaps with a few special colors (ie. dark forest green)!
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I just hope the Z28 is coming back for the new platform which is hopefully lighter than the current heavy weight perhaps with a few special colors (ie. dark forest green)!
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This may be merely my opinion, but I whole-heartedly believe the "Z28", with an LS7 engine + accompanying performance parts needs to be strictly bare-bones when it comes to interior frills. My belief in this approach is two-fold, with neither of them being the common mention of weight reduction.

First, we are discussing a potential Z28 model that will not only fit into the current Camaro model lineup at a price point between the SS and the ZL1, but also as a model that does not directly compete with the SS nor the ZL1, thus cannibalizing sales of either of the two existing models. A manual transmission, hard top only, no frills, LS7 + performance parts Z28 is the ONLY way that such a feat is possible.

If the Z28 were to have leather interior, HUD, bluetooth, Ipod, Auto transmission, convertible top, or any other such features as options, it would risk taking sales away from the 2SS or even the ZL1. The 2SS should remain the top of the line frills wise for the middle of the road Camaro buyers, as should the ZL1 for the top of the line Camaro buyers. Those will be the differentiators in deciding on one of those two models as opposed to the Z28.

That way, the Z28 only risks eating a few 1SS sales. Which is the road of least loss for GM. One, because dealers almost never seem to have mere 1SS models on their lots, and two, the price difference will still lead many to choose the 1SS in many cases anyway. If not for price difference, then for the possibility of RS package, or auto transmission, or convertible top.

Second, we want to keep the price well below ZL1 money, but not too much more than 2SS money. Paying extra for performance only seems to me to be the only way a true Z28 could be made, fit into the lineup, and not risk eating sales of other models.

Heck, it could have crank up windows for all I care, so long as I'm paying for performance, anything else that cuts the overall cost down frills wise would be a good move in my book.

That's my 2 cents, for what it is worth.
There are many variables to making a purchase, however the majority will buy perfomance/luxury based on what they can afford. The performance based on pricepoint is the main reason for the Z28. Then also there are those who appreciate the heritage/track design. Building a Z28 will hurt the aftermarket more than cannibalize SS sales. I agree no vert, but why no bluetooth, USB, etc.? And crank windows weigh more than electric now days. Remember GM has to be able to sell a model to many customers, some may want a stripper others like some toys.
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Old 11-27-2011, 02:39 PM   #15
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a crank window in a new car today is just funny. If my 86 POS Camaro has electric windows, any kind of new camaro better have them. I agree about stripping some stuff, but not all the basic stuff that most cars have had since the mid-nineties. And i also agree, no vert. It adds weight, which is exactly the opposite of what they should be trying to do. But in general, what youre proposing would make a great Z28!
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I love all your guys post about throwing an LS7 in it and getting it to 800 HP but costing under ZL1. If they could don't you think they sell the cars for cheaper?
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I firmly suspect that if a "Z/28" of any kind emerges with a LS7 you could see a BOSS 429 emerge. Ford has already built a new 427 test engine (a 6.2L truck base stroked out) that produced 700 HP. It would be no real task to stroke it out two more CI to 429 and detune it to whatever they need.
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Well, the basic point was made that it should be a no frills model, akin to my LS for purposes of keeping the cost down. The crank up windows bit was really just a personal joke more than any serious suggestion. It was meant more to drive the point home with a smirk or a chuckle, than to be taken seriously. I just meant expensive extras, like HUD, convertible top, etc really wouldn't belong as options on a Z28 model. It will be expensive enough performance wise, and to leave the "fully loaded" notion to be ZL1 territory. Hope that clears up my previous statement a bit.
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Ok if I were in charge at chevrolet I would tell them to build it something like this.

I would have the design team to go foward with the 6th gen camaro.
As far as asthetics or the final design the camaro team comes up with
for the 6th gen would be fine with me.

BUT....
Whatever 5thgen model that does not sell well.....
or lowest in numbers, be it the SS model, or the V6 model..
I would pull it.
Lets say it is the current SS sales better than the v6....Leave the V6 current lineup.

Pull the SS trim completely.

Whatever that vehicle is, lets say SS in that case completely drop that line for now.
Make that the platform for the new z28...
Homage......
Take a engine block from the LS family (not the LS7 as its on its way out)
Take the small block LS and bore it to 302 Cubic inch with forged internals
in homage to the 1967-1969 Z28.
Most cars are fuel injected these days so add fuel injection and top it of with a tvs 2300 super charger....
See what HP you get out of it and drop in the new car.
Take the historic Z/28 badge........
and homage to the great 1967 z28....and DROP all badges...
No exterior badges except 302 designation Maybe......
Take the Z/28 badge and create a new font for it. Apply it throughout the cars interior only. The head rests, the door sills, the dash.....
flatten the hood of the car out..no dome or scoop... no first gen had a cowl hood until 1969.....
flatten the hood out....
put the two historic z28 rally stripes (the current SS stripes you see on cars now is incorrect as they were intended for z28 only)
down the hood, not over the roof, and down the trunk lid and over the rear spoiler. Revamp the current spoiler form the ZL1 make it fatter for z28...
Give the Z28 its own set of wheels.....
Redesign the current Camaro logo for Z28 only and put them on the header panel, and the rear deck lid....
No mail slot!
and...your gonna love this.....NO Automatic or VERT! or sunroof!

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Do you think its that far fetched to hope for a lighter camaro? As for the color selection...when we pay this much for cars I should think that we should be able to have a wider color selection or the option of special selection of color. They seem to be tackin' on the money anyhow with different colors.
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Just finished reading the updated posts to the thread and felt I needed to chime in again. I agree with less frills in the model but you should have a lot more options available on a stripped down model. The meat of the matter should be performance though it should be upgradable to a 2SS package options (most of them, not all of them) and some of the performance parts of the ZL1 (once again, some of them not all of them). I have had more fun over the years modding my z28s than buying an SS. There is just something about taking an average V8 camaro and customizing/modding it with a personal touch...sorta the concept of the modern day hotrod. I agree on no SC for the engine however if you could have some form of LS which puts out about 500hp on pumped gas and put it in the mid 40s for a starting price before any frills are added to it and a lighter platform than the current behemoth than I think we are on to something in regards to a z28 model. Otherwise, we should just stick with what we got and all drool at the ZL1 while we play with our @SSs. HAHA
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Do you think its that far fetched to hope for a lighter camaro? As for the color selection...when we pay this much for cars I should think that we should be able to have a wider color selection or the option of special selection of color. They seem to be tackin' on the money anyhow with different colors.
I'm sure it will be lighter, just not substantially lighter -hence no miracles. Drop 100 lbs? Sure. 200? Maybe. 300 lbs? Bit of a stretch. 400? Doubtful. 500? Not happening.

Colours ... I think there should be a more choices, but I don't think its lacking very much either. There are 8 available right now and we know that there is another red on the way soon. That gives a white, a black, a silver, a grey, two reds, an orange, a yellow, and a blue. About the only colours missing are green, purple, and brown.
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A badge-worthy Gen-5 ZEE requires use of existing certified/validated components...a "parts bin special" if you please...to keep costs down and allow its appearance before the "final sunset" of this version.

- That likely means MRC borrowed from the ZL1, along with its wheels/tires/brakes. 1LE-like. Supremely capable (this time around) through the twisties. Short of an enhanced version (not currently extant) of the FE4 system (adjustable coilovers?), it's the best available.

- More beans than an SS. Short of a Big Block, back in the day, the ZEE offered more. It needs more. It grown by 750 lb. The BOSS tells us that, too...and the certified/validated options are few. LSA? Spoken for. LS9? Too heavy/expensive for a broad-based ZEE. Enhanced LS3? Where/what is it? LS7? Sign me up...

- Basic content, philosophically AND weight-wise. 1SS basics, with 1LS seats. With Packaged options. "Racy", with coolers 'n such? OK. Fancy duds, inside? 2SS content just a ticked box away...

-TWO possible versions:

1LE with LS3, as an option on 1SS/2SS, for those who want the handling at a budgeted price without extra power (although 3.73 gears would wake it up).

As above, with LS7; truly badge-worthy as Z/28 - rev-able, with a power-to-weight to rustle any horse or handle any challenge(er)...

1SS with 1LE = under $40!

1SS/1LS content with Z/28-LS7 and ZL1 driveline = $48...or $6,000 under base ZL1...and 200 fewer lb.

V8 Camaros would then bridge the pricing strata of $31 to $54, Base, with NO cavernous gaps.

Gen-6? Based on Caddy's requirements for the Alpha platform, figure on roughly 250 lb savings, max...V6 to V6...and NO engines over 500 hp!

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