Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Hurst Shifters
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons

Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons Bolt-Ons | Intakes | Exhaust

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-12-2009, 09:12 PM   #1
Derkontheforum
 
Derkontheforum's Avatar
 
Drives: 1981 Camaro
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Jacksonville IL
Posts: 14
10 second car

Im getting ready to ship out for the Air Force and after tech school Im gonna buy a black on black SS/RS with hurst shifter. Now from what I read you guys are pretty smart and I was wondering if you could tell me what i would need to make this a 10 second car and keep it streetable.
__________________
I refuse to tip toe cautiously thru life only to arrive safely at deaths door.
Derkontheforum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 09:13 PM   #2
ljustin293


 
ljustin293's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 VR CAMARO 2SS/RS
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: GA
Posts: 15,089
welcome to the site! someone here should be able to give some answers
ljustin293 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 09:21 PM   #3
Camaro_Corvette
36.833283,-76.021958
 
Camaro_Corvette's Avatar
 
Drives: Team 1LE
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Earth
Posts: 22,878
Are you going to remove weight or is most everything staying on the car?
__________________
Camaro_Corvette is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 09:25 PM   #4
Derkontheforum
 
Derkontheforum's Avatar
 
Drives: 1981 Camaro
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Jacksonville IL
Posts: 14
you know Im not really sure right now, but Im leaning more towards keeping everything in the car maybe idk yet i have to weight the pros and cons
__________________
I refuse to tip toe cautiously thru life only to arrive safely at deaths door.
Derkontheforum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 09:28 PM   #5
mlee
H-Town Camaro Club
 
mlee's Avatar
 
Drives: Number Twenty-Three
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Conroe, TX
Posts: 23,985
Quote:
Originally Posted by Derkontheforum View Post
Im getting ready to ship out for the Air Force and after tech school Im gonna buy a black on black SS/RS with hurst shifter. Now from what I read you guys are pretty smart and I was wondering if you could tell me what i would need to make this a 10 second car and keep it streetable.
After Tech School and when you finish your CDCs and get that big bonus come back here... there will probably be a few good examples already built. LS7 engine for starters.
__________________
.
mlee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 09:33 PM   #6
Gary B
 
Gary B's Avatar
 
Drives: 12 SS 45th
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Ct.
Posts: 515
Keeping it basically stock looking and getting into the 10's will require IMMENSE horsepower! Best bet would be to get an auto tranny model(with the tranny made bulletproof)and then either do major mods to the engine along with a turbo setup, or drop in another engine set up to take big boost with a turbo. You're going to need a good 700-800 RWHP to get it done with a stock style car with just drag radials on for tires.
__________________
Got the itch for a Camaro again....Itch is now scratched...2012 45th SS LS3
Gary B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 09:33 PM   #7
CynAgain


 
CynAgain's Avatar
 
Drives: Chevy
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 7,070
I guess my first question is why do you want it to be a 10 second car? once we know that and a few other questions we can help you build a path...

Is money a factor?
Do you plan on doing the work yourself?
do you want to keep it naturally aspirated?
CynAgain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 09:38 PM   #8
garagelogic
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2010 Shelby GT500
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 1,687
If you're going to keep everything on your car, then you can figure a curb weight around 3900lbs plus whatever you might weigh. I don't know you, but let's be conservative and say 160. That's a race weight of 4060.

At that weight, you will need around 700hp at the flywheel to get the car into the 10's if you are an average driver; maybe less if you have ideal racing conditions and are an experienced driver.
garagelogic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 09:40 PM   #9
ucla1ove3

 
ucla1ove3's Avatar
 
Drives: soon to be 2010 CAMARO :]
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: houston, tx
Posts: 1,287
throw an LS9 in there and call it a day. but of course build up the rest of the car while you are at it.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by BowtieGuy View Post
If Toyota takes control of the Corvette, I swear on all that is holy that I will buy a one way ticket to Japan and suicide bomb the Toyota headquarters.
ucla1ove3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 09:43 PM   #10
Gone
 
Drives: Fast
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 20
Your going to need around 550-575rwhp imo to run tens so you now need to decide how you want to get there FI or NA.
Gone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 09:47 PM   #11
Vash


 
Drives: 00 Blazer
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 5,128
Realize your throwing away your powertrain warranty.

Someone has been watching TV movies (Vin Diesel claiming his dad's car runs 10's).
Vash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 09:58 PM   #12
Derkontheforum
 
Derkontheforum's Avatar
 
Drives: 1981 Camaro
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Jacksonville IL
Posts: 14
I want a really fast car that i can take to the track and beat some mustangs and then drive home

money is not a factor Im gonna inherit a couple million from my grandparents

I plan on letting pros do it even though Im nearly capable of doing it myself

I want to supercharge it I dont know what supercharger thought i havent checked

I know Im throwing away my warrant and Vin Diesel is not my inspiration to do this
__________________
I refuse to tip toe cautiously thru life only to arrive safely at deaths door.
Derkontheforum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 10:03 PM   #13
garagelogic
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2010 Shelby GT500
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 1,687
Quote:
Originally Posted by ucla1ove3 View Post
throw an LS9 in there and call it a day. but of course build up the rest of the car while you are at it.
LS9 alone would not do it. It makes what, 638hp at the flywheel? If it can only get the ZR1 in the low 11's, it's sure not going to put a Camaro in the 10's.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Derkontheforum View Post
I want a really fast car that i can take to the track and beat some mustangs and then drive home

money is not a factor Im gonna inherit a couple million from my grandparents

I plan on letting pros do it even though Im nearly capable of doing it myself

I want to supercharge it I dont know what supercharger thought i havent checked

I know Im throwing away my warrant and Vin Diesel is not my inspiration to do this
Okay, I'm out of this thread. I thouht we were dealing with someone who actually wanted to get his Camaro into the 10's, not some kid with dreams of granduer.
garagelogic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 10:07 PM   #14
Gone
 
Drives: Fast
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Derkontheforum View Post
I want a really fast car that i can take to the track and beat some mustangs and then drive home

money is not a factor Im gonna inherit a couple million from my grandparents

I plan on letting pros do it even though Im nearly capable of doing it myself

I want to supercharge it I dont know what supercharger thought i havent checked

I know Im throwing away my warrant and Vin Diesel is not my inspiration to do this
Money is not a factor ok then this should be easy for you Techo is coming out with a 3.0L TS SC for the Camaro. If you want to use the stock motor find a good engine builder pull the motor have it rebuilt with after market rods, pistons 8.5 or 9.0 cr (crank if needed) you could will be able to do it on stock heads and cams but your option to go with cams and ported heads talk to the engine builder you decide on. Throw a Techco sc and you will have a car that will run 10's.
Gone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 10:40 PM   #15
Derkontheforum
 
Derkontheforum's Avatar
 
Drives: 1981 Camaro
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Jacksonville IL
Posts: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by garagelogic View Post
LS9 alone would not do it. It makes what, 638hp at the flywheel? If it can only get the ZR1 in the low 11's, it's sure not going to put a Camaro in the 10's.

Okay, I'm out of this thread. I thouht we were dealing with someone who actually wanted to get his Camaro into the 10's, not some kid with dreams of granduer.
I am someone who really wants to get his Camaro in the 10s....My family has been driving Camaros ever since they could drive my grandpa had an 1969 RS/SS, my dad had an 1985 Z28, my mom had an 1981(which is currently what i have today except I dropped a 350 out of a 74 chevy truck into it and threw in a edelbrock cam with 420 lift at the exhaust vavle, edelbrock rpm performence intake, holley 650 cfm carb, flowtech long tube headers, 350 Turbo trans with a B&M shift kit) Ive been around fast cars my friend drag races his 1980s Mustang his family builds Mustangs to drag race
__________________
I refuse to tip toe cautiously thru life only to arrive safely at deaths door.
Derkontheforum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 10:41 PM   #16
Kyle2k
LVL 50 Troll Stomper
 
Kyle2k's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Grand Forks, ND
Posts: 3,248
Quote:
Originally Posted by garagelogic View Post
LS9 alone would not do it. It makes what, 638hp at the flywheel? If it can only get the ZR1 in the low 11's, it's sure not going to put a Camaro in the 10's.

Okay, I'm out of this thread. I thouht we were dealing with someone who actually wanted to get his Camaro into the 10's, not some kid with dreams of granduer.
Yeah you're way too good for this thread man. I'm pretty sure if some bolt on 4th gens can do it, the new Camaro sure as hell can.
__________________
Kyle2k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 10:43 PM   #17
Derkontheforum
 
Derkontheforum's Avatar
 
Drives: 1981 Camaro
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Jacksonville IL
Posts: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gone View Post
Money is not a factor ok then this should be easy for you Techo is coming out with a 3.0L TS SC for the Camaro. If you want to use the stock motor find a good engine builder pull the motor have it rebuilt with after market rods, pistons 8.5 or 9.0 cr (crank if needed) you could will be able to do it on stock heads and cams but your option to go with cams and ported heads talk to the engine builder you decide on. Throw a Techco sc and you will have a car that will run 10's.
What octane would i have to use?
How much horsepower would that make?
What about traction?
What rear end gear ratio would you recommend?
__________________
I refuse to tip toe cautiously thru life only to arrive safely at deaths door.
Derkontheforum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2009, 11:28 PM   #18
Gone
 
Drives: Fast
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Derkontheforum View Post
What octane would i have to use?
How much horsepower would that make?
What about traction?
What rear end gear ratio would you recommend?
The car should be capable of making around aleast 650-700rwhp + (725-800hp) on a built motor with a sc imo also depending on cams, heads, etc. Should be able to run 93 octane if you tune the car to stay around 570rwhp and run 12-14psi (depending on the cr) for the street, anything above that psi or rwhp for the track or street I would run a mix of race gas and 93 octane or pure race gas depending on what rwhp you tune the car for and what psi you run.Traction dr's of course since the camaro is so new we are going to have to wait see what the car needs suspension wise I have no ideal at this time. On the gear will depend on what you want the car for street mostly, track mostly etc. I would go with the stock 3.42 and go from thier I think you would have no problems getting the car to run mid 10's with a 3.42 The higher you go in rwhp the more you have to think about the trans clutch, rear end drive shaft etc. If you want to run the stock drivetrain I'd say tune the car to stay around 550-570rwhp (725hp) and go from there.

The above is just my opinion and I am no LS3 expert just assuming the above from what I know of the LS3 Camaro so far so do not take my word for this as exact.
Gone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2009, 12:14 AM   #19
bolteon593

 
Drives: 2011 GT500
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: southern california
Posts: 902
lol, this thread is too good...
bolteon593 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2009, 09:01 AM   #20
garagelogic
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2010 Shelby GT500
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 1,687
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle2k View Post
Yeah you're way too good for this thread man. I'm pretty sure if some bolt on 4th gens can do it, the new Camaro sure as hell can.
Just to clear things up, I was not saying that it would not be possible for the new Camaro to achieve 10's, nor do I doubt we will see it soon after the cars start getting into owners hands.
garagelogic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2009, 09:05 AM   #21
mlee
H-Town Camaro Club
 
mlee's Avatar
 
Drives: Number Twenty-Three
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Conroe, TX
Posts: 23,985
You're inheriting a couple million and you're going into the Air Force...
__________________
.
mlee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2009, 09:18 AM   #22
ZZcamaro


 
Drives: 2SS w/ ZZ427 Package!!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 2,706
You should get in touch with a good financial advisor ! I am the CEO of a small, honest financial company. Let me know if you need any help...I am always willing to help a fellow Camaro, and military person, for as little a cost as possible.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Derkontheforum View Post
I want a really fast car that i can take to the track and beat some mustangs and then drive home

money is not a factor Im gonna inherit a couple million from my grandparents

I plan on letting pros do it even though Im nearly capable of doing it myself

I want to supercharge it I dont know what supercharger thought i havent checked

I know Im throwing away my warrant and Vin Diesel is not my inspiration to do this
ZZcamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2009, 09:19 AM   #23
ZZcamaro


 
Drives: 2SS w/ ZZ427 Package!!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 2,706
And God Bless him for it ! He earns my respect and appreciation !
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlee View Post
You're inheriting a couple million and you're going into the Air Force...
ZZcamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2009, 09:22 AM   #24
attymf
 
attymf's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 SS/RS 6M
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: LI, NY
Posts: 699
Getting in the 10's will cost at minimum $30K plus. I'd bore n stroke, add forged everything, cam, heads, cai, exhaust, headers, valves, injectors, 4.10's (maybe more) and twin turbo.

You will definetly need tranny, rear and other upgrades to handle the HP and TQ.

At this point I'd rather not buy a camaro but buy a Z06 and throw on a few bold ons with gears!!!
attymf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2009, 09:49 AM   #25
vladkgb
 
Drives: 2000 Camaro SS Pewter
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Miami
Posts: 179
Quote:
Originally Posted by attymf View Post
Getting in the 10's will cost at minimum $30K plus. I'd bore n stroke, add forged everything, cam, heads, cai, exhaust, headers, valves, injectors, 4.10's (maybe more) and twin turbo.

You will definetly need tranny, rear and other upgrades to handle the HP and TQ.

At this point I'd rather not buy a camaro but buy a Z06 and throw on a few bold ons with gears!!!
no.

depending how streetable and reliable you want. If you want the car to run 10's ur going to have to put a roll cage inside to run on the track anyway so might as well gut the interior anyway.. unless u wanna be an illegal street racer

here is a recipe:

1. gut the interior. get rid of everything you dont need.. like back seats you will need to compensate weight for the roll cage.
2. replace the heavy power seats with lightweight racing seats.
3. Having a 10 sec car would be easier if u had an A6 instead of M6.
So build up your auto and put atleast a 3200 converter in there.
4. Replace the 2 peice Driveshaft with a heavy duty 1 piece.
5. The obvious.... 1 7/8" LT's, 3" off road xpipe with bullet mufflers and dumps before the rear. Thats right, no heavy axel back mufflers.
6. 4.10 gears.
7. Swap in a FAST LSX intake& Ported throttle body.
8. Install a procharger P1-SC kit, and bigger fuel injectors. Run it @ 5 psi.
9. Since you got an SS with the big brembos, u cant get Weld's. So ur going to have to get lightweight CCW 18's or Bogart 18's skinnies in the front and nice big slicks in the back, for racing only of course.
10. Shave some more weight by removing bumper supports in the front and back (about 100 lbs)
11. Get it pro tuned, this set up should make close to 600rwhp.
12. Add a dry nitrous kit for good measure. U can run a 10 or 20hp shot. The shot doubles cuz of the boost, and serves to cool the compressed air and give you more low end power off the line.
13. if you still dont run 10's and you know its cuz u need more power, then get a boost friendly cam.
14. Run 10's
15. Profit
vladkgb is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What's considered a Muscle Car? SyN General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion 125 09-25-2010 12:04 AM
2010 SMS Mustang TFord General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion 19 01-22-2009 11:00 AM
From Fbodfather - Setting the record straight. Moose General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion 27 12-10-2008 12:25 PM
NEW!! Voice Your MARKETING Suggestions/Input for Focus Group on 2010 Camaro. Mr. Wyndham 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions 114 05-08-2008 09:24 PM
Another, albeit old, Camaro Article!!! Mr. Wyndham 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions 1 07-30-2007 09:19 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:48 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.