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Old 04-13-2009, 12:38 PM   #1
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How Bulletproof should the SS 6-Speed Drivetrain Be?

I'm a noob, contemplating a Camaro. Have been looking at Challengers, and, I've heard good things about the Camaro SS, so, I'm checking it out.

I know about the Holden Platform that it's built on, and how well regarded it is. My question is regarding the entire Drivetrain. I'm not the type that wails on my Cars, but, I do put them thru the paces.

How tough is the 6-Speed, and the Independent Rear Axle, and all associated hardware? The Engine I'm assuming is pretty much bulletproof, what with Chevrolet's reputation for small block V8's.

What's routine maintinence on the 6-speed and the rear diff?

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Old 04-13-2009, 12:49 PM   #2
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Not to be captain obvious but it is essentially the same drivetrain as the Corvette. They are pretty rugged as the Corvette guys hammer on them pretty hard. Chevy trucks with small blocks go and go and go so I assume if you wanted to 250K is a pretty reasonable mileage goal for a Camaro. That would be my expectation.
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The powertrain is pretty much right out of the Corvette; engine and transmission both...And the rear-end has been said to be good to 650hp.

I think "bulletproof" would be an understatement.

EDIT -- they did drive the test cars to 200,000+ miles...and they were still willing to go more.
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What do you think Routine Maintinence on the 6-Speed Manual Trans & the Rear Diff is?

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Old 04-13-2009, 01:01 PM   #5
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What do you think Routine Maintinence on the 6-Speed Manual Trans & the Rear Diff is?

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Personally I would service the trans fluid at 60K ish although I can't tell you what GM recommends, might be lifetime fluid but I wouldn't buy that unless you are not keeping it more than a couple years.

I would expect the clutch to go 60-90K though I have heard much less and much more.
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What do you think Routine Maintinence on the 6-Speed Manual Trans & the Rear Diff is?

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None. Admittedly, I don't have much experience with rear-ends...but as for the transmission -- this is straight from General Motors:

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The 6-speed uses Texaco ATF Type III 1863 fluid and is certified "fill-for-life," requiring no fluid changes. The clutch is activated hydraulically, which automatically compensates for clutch disc wear, eliminating manual adjustments. The Tremec TR6060 six-speed has evolved from a design that aimed to require virtually no maintenance in all but the most severe conditions.
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Does the Trans have a Dipstick & a Drain in the Pan?

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Old 04-13-2009, 01:22 PM   #8
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I would say the drivetrain is as close to bulletproof as a stock drivetrain gets.



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The powertrain is pretty much right out of the Corvette; engine and transmission both...
I think "bulletproof" would be an understatement.
You guys are forgetting a MAJOR issue......WEIGHT.

The C6 weighs in around 3,200 lbs.
The Camaro SS is over 3,900lbs.
So, maybe the Corvette is "bulletproof". BUT, the Camaro SS is still unproven.

Case in point, look at how the "Corvette" drivetrain is holding up in the Trailblazer SS. The auto trans (sprag) has been a issue in the STOCK TBSS.
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You guys are forgetting a MAJOR issue......WEIGHT.

The C6 weighs in around 3,200 lbs.
The Camaro SS is over 3,900lbs.
So, maybe the Corvette is "bulletproof". but the Camaro needs to be proven.

Case in point, look at how the "Corvette" drivetrain is holding up in the Trailblazer SS. The auto trans (sprag) has been a issue in the STOCK TBSS.
4 Speed in the Trailblazer, new 6 speed in the Camaro.
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4 Speed in the Trailblazer, new 6 speed in the Camaro.
I know, bro.
But, you should know that was the Corvette trans until 2006.
I only used it as an example for Corvette drivetrain in a heavier vehicle.
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Personally I would service the trans fluid at 60K ish although I can't tell you what GM recommends, might be lifetime fluid but I wouldn't buy that unless you are not keeping it more than a couple years.

I would expect the clutch to go 60-90K though I have heard much less and much more.
Transmission fluid in a manual transmission? Really?
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The transmission is rated to 650 ftlbs of torque, so I think its good for awhile, the IRS still needs to be proven but like stated will probably be good till 600ish hp
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Sounds like they're pretty overbuilt.

Good. I Like Overkill. Hence, I'm looking at a Camaro SS...

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I run the same T6060 manual in my GT500 and I've had no issues with it at all despite making 700+ rwhp at the tires. As long as you actually use the clutch and refrain from speed-shifting too much, I think it will live just fine under the Camaro and survive pretty inflated power numbers.

As for the rear end, time will tell. I'm sure there will be more than a few people testing the limits of the car over the course of the next few months.

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I'm a noob, contemplating a Camaro. Have been looking at Challengers, and, I've heard good things about the Camaro SS, so, I'm checking it out.

I know about the Holden Platform that it's built on, and how well regarded it is. My question is regarding the entire Drivetrain. I'm not the type that wails on my Cars, but, I do put them thru the paces.

How tough is the 6-Speed, and the Independent Rear Axle, and all associated hardware? The Engine I'm assuming is pretty much bulletproof, what with Chevrolet's reputation for small block V8's.

What's routine maintinence on the 6-speed and the rear diff?

Thanks;

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I don't think the engine is anywhere near bulletproof, unless your talking about stock power levels. If so, then yes, I do think the rest of the drivetrain is "bulletproof" under these conditions as well.
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The powertrain is pretty much right out of the Corvette; engine and transmission both...And the rear-end has been said to be good to 650hp.

I think "bulletproof" would be an understatement.

EDIT -- they did drive the test cars to 200,000+ miles...and they were still willing to go more.
Actually the Corvette uses a torque tube and a transaxle. So the actual transmission is bolted directly up to the rear end. So really, the Camaro's drivetrain is lifted from the G8 GXP. But yeah, same basic principle
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Actually the Corvette uses a torque tube and a transaxle. So the actual transmission is bolted directly up to the rear end. So really, the Camaro's drivetrain is lifted from the G8 GXP. But yeah, same basic principle
The GXP weighs about the same as the Camaro SS, so that ought to be a decent benchmark.
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Transmission fluid in a manual transmission? Really?
Yeah man. Weird huh? Think about it though- ATF is less viscous than gear oil or 90W, so less lube drag, and it's designed to withstand the heat and friction rigors of auto tranny use. The gear mesh might be a tighter tolerance than traditional manual boxes, but don't quote me on that as I don't know for sure. All I DO know is that even as far back as 1997, the Tremec unit they were putting in Trans Ams required ATF. My question though is what goes in the Aisin 6M in the LT?
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When you star flushing out fluids, you will start to have problems, never seen one yet that did'nt give problems.
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When you star flushing out fluids, you will start to have problems, never seen one yet that did'nt give problems.
I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. You've seen issues with removing fluids and then putting them back in? Or do you mean when replacing fluids with different types or what? The Tremec M6 comes from the factory with ATF in it. It was designed for it, I'm not talking about putting ATF in a tranny designed for gear oil or 90W. There should never be a problem with removing and replacing fluids of the exact same type and viscosity. It may be superfluous and unnecessary, but it should never cause any harm.

And M3, the Tremec units don't have a tranny 'pan' per se, not like an auto. It's just like a standard manual tranny with a drain plug and a filler/level check bung.
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Why is this in the LLT section?
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Old 04-14-2009, 03:30 PM   #23
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That's kind of why I asked the Q about what fluids the aisin takes, so far nobody's biting.
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well that's a legitimate question for this section, I pulled this from a caddy forum "The MV1 uses conventional 75W90 gear oil" I have also seen this posted here.

But why did this topic get started here in the first place? I've noticed more and more V8 topics in here *shrugs*
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Meh, newbs to the forum I think. No biggie. Just need to get moved to the V8 forum is all. And it looks like our aisins will have the heavyweight stuff in there. Interesting.
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