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Old 12-02-2011, 05:26 PM   #35
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Wow that close to sales with the Challenger is saying something, and by no means is that bashing the Mopar muscle car, its just that the Challenger has very, very slowly been rising in sales and is now this close to Mustang really must be sending some type of shockwave to Ford. But as 90503 was saying, it is all about the styling. In previous years especially the 4th gen era, Camaro had more power and performance than that of the 4th gen Mustangs and we were being outdoor by less performance by the blue oval. If we see the same trend when the 6th gens come out then it will tell the real story of what the general public really looks at when purchasing a performance car. When does the Boss go on sale? If it has already, it has really done nothing to help Mustangs' sales at all and it'll be interesting to see what happens with the numbers when the ZL1 comes unleashed.
The boss has been out for a while, but it was never intended to be a big seller. I believe they were limited around 3,000 a year.
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Old 12-03-2011, 03:57 AM   #36
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Old 12-03-2011, 11:35 AM   #37
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Old 12-03-2011, 11:42 AM   #38
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Anyone heard when the White Book for all the 2011 build stats is coming out???
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Old 12-03-2011, 03:37 PM   #39
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How bout that mustang down to 2 shifts camaros running all 3 shifts all out war in the spring $54.995 vs $72.000 wit no coolers or magnetic ride control
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Old 12-03-2011, 10:08 PM   #40
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How bout that mustang down to 2 shifts camaros running all 3 shifts all out war in the spring $54.995 vs $72.000 wit no coolers or magnetic ride control
The Camaro is running on just one shift, not three. They have 2 assembly lines in Oshawa and between them, they build the Chevy Camaro and Impala, plus the Buick Regal. On top of that they do partial assembly of some Equinoxes (Equini?) and Terrains. And they're probably doing pre-production of the Cadillac XTS right now. And I'm not even sure if all those combined work out to 3 full shifts on each line.
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Old 12-04-2011, 02:44 AM   #41
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It's kind of like the calm before the storm. GM has the ZL1 coming, but FoMoCo has the updated Mustang right around the corner.
Ford might be hurting in Mustang sales now, but it's going to be all-out war come spring...
I am not too sure about that, that is what was said about the 2011 Mustangs when they were coming out. Ford replaced the V-6 and V-8 with new much better engines and yet this has been the result of that.

I think it would be safer to wait and see what happens when the few changes to the Mustang line (and the 650BHP GT500) are here.

I remember seeing a rendering which combined Aston Martin and that new Ford concept car front end on it. Visually the Mustang just doesn't have much going for it, it doesn't look bad but at the same time it doesn't really stand out either. The next generation Mustang will have a chance to set that right and with the engines they currently have it should be a great vehicle.
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Old 12-04-2011, 10:02 AM   #42
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Love this version of the muscle car wars

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Had and sold a 2009 SRT8 Challenger. Nice car but just didn't thump enough. Sold my 2010 2SS/RS to fund a ZL1. Have to wait 'til 2013 model year, no allocation at my local dealers. Have a sizable deposit on a '13, just need to decide coupe or vert.

New Mustangs will drive the Ford loyal back to the showroom. I'm ZL1 all the way. In the meantime I'll enjoy winter in my Raptor and dream of a summer delivery.

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Old 12-04-2011, 02:48 PM   #43
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Must be different in Sacramento, I see at least 2 challengers a day... but I see a 5th gen camaro MAYBE once every 2 weeks.
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this is correct! at least for the last 2 years or so!..as much as i want to think the styling will continue to sell the car,i gotta tell ya,i really don't believe that!
it sucks,but what we are up against is f**ked up gas prices that are headed north again. i'm seein' the camaro showin' up on dealers lots in numbers!
people have had their fun,and quite a few want out now that gas is about to take off again,and blow $4.00 a gallon out of the water!..god i wish i wasn't right!..i was hopin' gas prices would stabilize,but i ain't seein' that!..goin' forward,guys will be makin' tough decisions...my gas cards are gettin' out of control now,but i'm holdin' on,and i hump the six!..just sayin'
our gas prices hear have been comming down. I recently paid 340 i believe for premium. Its usually closer to the 4 mark. Also..suprised to see the camaro sold almost 1300 units more than mustang..pretty impressive, and the zl1 is only going to help that.
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How bout that mustang down to 2 shifts camaros running all 3 shifts all out war in the spring $54.995 vs $72.000 wit no coolers or magnetic ride control
Is that the price of the new 650 HP GT500? I didn't know they had announced the price yet.
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Old 12-04-2011, 08:32 PM   #46
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I am shocked that GM didn't make the LFX engine flex fuel, with its compression ratio I would think it would easily push 340BHP on E85....
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I am shocked that GM didn't make the LFX engine flex fuel, with its compression ratio I would think it would easily push 340BHP on E85....
The LFX is E85 capable, but not in the Camaro. To do that they'd have to replace the rest of the fuel system. Other cars, like the Impala, were already flex fuel capable so there was no extra work involved.
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Old 12-05-2011, 01:47 AM   #48
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The LFX is E85 capable, but not in the Camaro. To do that they'd have to replace the rest of the fuel system. Other cars, like the Impala, were already flex fuel capable so there was no extra work involved.
I know that I want the LFX Camaro to be E85.... I thought that was implied with my post why would I be asking if the Impala is E85 on the Camaro forum.
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I know that I want the LFX Camaro to be E85.... I thought that was implied with my post why would I be asking if the Impala is E85 on the Camaro forum.
Not everyone knows that though. And I didn't know that you knew. You could have just thought that since other cars with that engine can run on E85, the Camaro should be able to too. You wouldn't be the first person to think that way about flex fuel vehicles.
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Old 12-05-2011, 11:57 AM   #50
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Was curious...with all the sales numbers out for camaros...whats the percentage of the actual owners that use this website for whatever reason...??? Not to say those who don't aren't "enthusiasts"...but might be a sign of how many really do show an interest in these cars...
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Is that the price of the new 650 HP GT500? I didn't know they had announced the price yet.
They haven't and that poster has no clue what he is talking about. I know a lot of people on this site believe Ford employees are somehow inferior to GM employees in financing and marketing, but anybody who really understands the business know better. That being the case, Ford is not going to price the GT500 $18k over the ZL1. All things point to the 2013 GT500 base price to undercut the ZL1 by a few bucks with the optioned out versions going for a few grand more, but certainly not anywhere $72k.
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