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Old 04-16-2009, 12:18 AM   #1
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GT500 numbers in (2010)...camaro SS still faster

The review by MT confirmed it

AND...the GT500 was done on hotter roads and better tires...and still was slower and less grip in the slaloms

0-60 4.7
60-0 109ft
.81 G through the slalom
pulled at 12.7 in the quarter (only aspect it was faster in...by .3 seconds)

HMMMM...i wonder which car a smart person would buy???

35k vs 45+k...hmmmm so hard

And if this thread has been posted already...I dont care
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In my opinion GT500 should be compared to Z06 or ZR1 at the moment for the "like" product Ford VS Chevrolet.

Besides... it's a boring car. I mean the interior is like China fake chrome happy. I bet it's a bunch of compressed melamine.
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The review by MT confirmed it

AND...the GT500 was done on hotter roads and better tires...and still was slower and less grip in the slaloms

0-60 4.7
60-0 109ft
.81 G through the slalom
pulled at 12.7 in the quarter (only aspect it was faster in...by .3 seconds)

HMMMM...i wonder which car a smart person would buy???

35k vs 45+k...hmmmm so hard

And if this thread has been posted already...I dont care
obviously the car should be faster than the camaro 0-60 as well. The car is just too difficult to launch with that much tq. With the level of power these cars are at (especially the GT500), the only real way to utilize it would be with a set of slicks. Ford states ~4.3 if i can recall.
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In my opinion GT500 should be compared to Z06 or ZR1 at the moment for the "like" product Ford VS Chevrolet.

Besides... it's a boring car. I mean the interior is like China fake chrome happy. I bet it's a bunch of compressed melamine.
please post a picture of this fake china chrome you speak of.
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:53 AM   #6
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If there were a Z28 then we would have a comparison with the GT 500.

And the Z28 would probably win hands down based on the current starting models. So the SS is doing as well as can be expected.

In Corvette class? Gt500? I don't think so.
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I Really See the GT500 a Very cool Car it looks amazing and the Interior is in a Another class the Screen the Aluminum dash The all Real Leather seats and it looks Great and Damn its a Shelby Carol Rocks i really dont mind buying one imagine carol autograph my GT500
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That would be pretty cool.
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I'm a Chevy guy and will get a new Camaro, but you can't say it's faster than a GT500. The GT500 has more power and is much easier to modify for more power. It's also much much more expensive. Ford can't make good naturally aspirated engines but anyone can make a fast car with a blower.
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I'm a Chevy guy and will get a new Camaro, but you can't say it's faster than a GT500. The GT500 has more power and is much easier to modify for more power. It's also much much more expensive. Ford can't make good naturally aspirated engines but anyone can make a fast car with a blower.
Ford does make good NA engines, with their more powerful incarnations being in australia with over 420 hp. I guess the LS3 must not be any "good" either then. Eitherway, your quote can easily say "Chevy can't make good naturally aspirated engines but anyone can make a fast car with enough displacement". what qualifies an engine as good? Chevy can't match dodge's big boy engine (viper), I guess chevy doesn't make "good naturally aspirated engines" either.



or is a "good naturally aspirated engine" one that holds up to actual abuse and keeps going and actually lasts? because fords modular's have been in Wards top 10 engines for 7 of the last 10 years. You know how many GM has had with their Gen IV's in the last 10 years? 1. And that was their hybrid. Even dodge has made it 6 times with their hemi. AND THEY RELEASED THAT ENGINE 7 YEARS AGO.

Im not dogging GM, but "Ford can't make good naturally aspirated engines" is an ignorant blanket statement.

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Old 04-16-2009, 03:07 AM   #11
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I'm a Chevy guy and will get a new Camaro, but you can't say it's faster than a GT500. The GT500 has more power and is much easier to modify for more power. It's also much much more expensive. Ford can't make good naturally aspirated engines but anyone can make a fast car with a blower.

this statement cracks me up.

426hp / 6.2 liters = 68.7 HP/liter (LS3)
400hp / 6.2 liters = 64.5 HP/liter (L99)
315hp / 4.6 liters = 68.4 HP/liter (4.6 ford)

this engine that is so "crappy" only makes .3HP less per liter than the LS3, and makes almost 4 more HP/liter than the L99

and if rumors are correct, and the new 5.0 makes 400hp thats 80HP/liter. hell even it only makes 350hp thats 70hp/liter
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the GT500 is faster than that... driver error is what those times are... but the good news is that most people who drive GT500s dont have the skills to drive it any faster than the magazines do... so with that in mind, its going to be interesting to see if any street driven GT500s score victories on the street... or at the track, for that matter, on stock tires.
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i love how people dig for the bottom of the barrell numbers and post them as if they were a reality.... thats corny, stop it. i can find a review where the camaro doesnt get higher g's and slalom numbers than the mustang....

these are magazine numbers to... but it's not ok when i do it right?

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Mustang GT Skid pad 0.91g
Camaro Skid paf 0.88g

Mustang GT Slalom 68.4mph
Camaro Slalom 68.6mph

Mustang GT 60-0 107ft
Camaro 60-0 109ft

Mustang GT 0.60 4.9
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i love how people dig for the bottom of the barrell numbers and post them as if they were a reality.... thats corny, stop it. i can find a review where the camaro doesnt get higher g's and slalom numbers than the mustang....

these are magazine numbers to... but it's not ok when i do it right?



be real man.
Ah I see you edited before I could reply lol.
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I Really See the GT500 a Very cool Car it looks amazing and the Interior is in a Another class the Screen the Aluminum dash The all Real Leather seats and it looks Great and Damn its a Shelby Carol Rocks i really dont mind buying one imagine carol autograph my GT500
Dude don't sweat it...I would guess for $100 bucks you could get him to sign your camaro.

Sorry, I just have lost a lot of respect for this guy. All the lawsuits he has been involved in. He sure does know how to hotrod though.
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I'm a Chevy guy and will get a new Camaro, but you can't say it's faster than a GT500. The GT500 has more power and is much easier to modify for more power. It's also much much more expensive. Ford can't make good naturally aspirated engines but anyone can make a fast car with a blower.
Just because Ford supercharges their engines doesn't mean they can't make a good N/A engine. Alot of people hold this erroneous belief, especially with the 03-04 Terminator. It's actually a better method of weight conservation to supercharger a lower-displacement engine rather than sticking a much larger one under the hood.
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The review by MT confirmed it

AND...the GT500 was done on hotter roads and better tires...and still was slower and less grip in the slaloms

0-60 4.7
60-0 109ft
.81 G through the slalom
pulled at 12.7 in the quarter (only aspect it was faster in...by .3 seconds)

HMMMM...i wonder which car a smart person would buy???

35k vs 45+k...hmmmm so hard

And if this thread has been posted already...I dont care
Thank you........someone that agrees with me finally
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Old 04-16-2009, 07:45 AM   #20
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where did you get the .81 through the slalom. They clearly state it was on their figure 8.

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The review by MT confirmed it

AND...the GT500 was done on hotter roads and better tires...and still was slower and less grip in the slaloms

0-60 4.7 <---wrong 0-60 in 4.3, 4.0 with a one foot rollout
60-0 109ft
.81 G through the slalom<----wrong it was 81g through the figure 8 and 0.96g through the slalom....
pulled at 12.7 in the quarter<---wrong 12.4 in the 1/4 mile

HMMMM...i wonder which car a smart person would buy???

35k vs 45+k...hmmmm so hard

And if this thread has been posted already...I dont care
i made the corrections above...sorry for your misinformation but E for effort.

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Old 04-16-2009, 07:56 AM   #22
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Can we just leave it at "my e-penis is bigger and scarier than your e-penis" and move on?

I love my Camaro, I don't love the Mustang, get over it. And yes, your opinions on the Ford ponies are just as valid as my opinions on the Camaro.
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Can we just leave it at "my e-penis is bigger and scarier than your e-penis" and move on?

I love my Camaro, I don't love the Mustang, get over it. And yes, your opinions on the Ford ponies are just as valid as my opinions on the Camaro.
but when people post false facts they must be corrected. with any car...
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Old 04-16-2009, 08:07 AM   #24
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Some of you guys are killing me with this stuff. In your desperate attempt to declare your favorite vehicle as, without a doubt, the most badass modern pony-car on the face of the planet, you ignore simple physics.

The 2010 Camaro, in its lightest 1SS V8 form, officially weighs in with a hefty curb weight of 3860 lbs. The 2010 GT500’s official curb weight is a even-more-portly 3924 lbs. As we all know, the new Camaro, in manual form, makes 426hp, and the 2010 GT500 makes 540hp. I hate to break it to you, but 114hp will more than make up the 64lb difference between the vehicles.

I also like how you selectively posted from the article to make the Camaro look to have as good or better numbers than the GT500. What about the other statements in the article, like:

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Ford says you'll see 60 mph in 4.3 sec and hit the quarter in 12.3 at 118 mph.
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Our best run scrambled to 60 in 4.7 sec and through the quarter mile in 12.7 at 118.1 mph. That trap speed is dead-on the KR's and lends credence to Ford's performance claims.
And, most importantly, quoting the opinion of the person doing the testing:

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Better launches in a Challenger SRT8 and Camaro SS match or better our 0-to-60 times, but the Shelby's a second or more ahead by 100 mph and 7-10 mph faster in the quarter mile. It's also grippier and quicker around the figure eight and pretty satisfying on real-world roads. So until and unless Chevy crashes this party with an LSA-powered Z/28 or Fiat shoves a Ferrari 12 into the Challenger, it looks like Shelby's GT500 has earned its crown as king of the pony/musclecar hill fair-'n'-square.
Look, you can point out internet/magazine-derived numbers on both the Camaro and GT500 until you are blue in the face, but by posting information in the manner you did, you are setting up a lot of future Camaro owners for a disappointment when they finally do get a chance to run against a GT500. As I have said before, will there be instances where a stock 1 or 2SS beats a stock 2010 GT500? Absolutely, (And you can be sure those videos will be posted here and everywhere else on the internet) but to suggest that will be the outcome the majority of the time when the Camaro is out-classed in raw power as delivered from the factory, well, that’s just a fantasy.
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$46,325 for a base GT500 - http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/mustang/models/

Why are we are comparing it to a $36K 2SS. Are we goofy??? If it takes a $46K Mustang to compete does that make any sense?

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