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Old 04-28-2009, 12:13 PM   #43
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06 GTO is a low 13 car. They should be pretty close honestly in a Drag race. Assuming that is what they are doing.....


+1 so for the GTO to beat it every time is more likely than not a drivers race
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Stock for stock, a 2009 Cobalt SS is faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile than the 350Z for $10,000 less!
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:20 PM   #45
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Stock for stock, a 2009 Cobalt SS is faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile than the 350Z for $10,000 less!
And a Cobalt SS will get raped by a used STi for 5k less than that.
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Old 04-28-2009, 08:10 PM   #46
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Vq?



im not following
VQ is the V6 Nissan uses in almost all its cars, including the new 370Z

Its got no low end power, and its harsh and rough in the higher rev's. Just read any review of the 350/370Z and you'll hear them criticize the car for that. Its also one of the worst sounding engines ever designed.

For $37K I'd expect to get a real motor, not some pile of crap out of a Nissan Maxima.
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Old 04-28-2009, 08:51 PM   #47
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And a Cobalt SS will get raped by a used STi for 5k less than that.
Actually it won't.

The Cobalt SS is equal to or better than the STI in every category.

Skidpad:

STi: .90g
Cobalt SS: .92g

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STi: 166ft
Cobalt SS: 163ft

Cobalt SS Turbo

Subaru WRX STi

The Cobalt SS is also just as fast or faster than the STI in 1/4 mile trap speed, the Cobalt SS has hit 104MPH in the 1/4, rarely will an STI be able to pull those numbers. The Cobalt SS also beat the Mitsubishi Evolution MR around VIR at C&D's annual lightning lap.

Did I also mention the Cobalt is $10,000 cheaper, gets 10MPG more, and looks much more classy??
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Old 04-28-2009, 09:06 PM   #48
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Actually it won't.

The Cobalt SS is equal to or better than the STI in every category.

Skidpad:

STi: .90g
Cobalt SS: .92g

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STi: 166ft
Cobalt SS: 163ft

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Subaru WRX STi

The Cobalt SS is also just as fast or faster than the STI in 1/4 mile trap speed, the Cobalt SS has hit 104MPH in the 1/4, rarely will an STI be able to pull those numbers. The Cobalt SS also beat the Mitsubishi Evolution MR around VIR at C&D's annual lightning lap.

Did I also mention the Cobalt is $10,000 cheaper, gets 10MPG more, and looks much more classy??






Seriously? 2003 sti?



Why dont you wise up and compare it to the 2007. BTW i like your edited performance categories that dont include slalom speed, 0-60 or track times.
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Stock for stock, a 2009 Cobalt SS is faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile than the 350Z for $10,000 less!
Fun Fact, no, it's not. It's faster than the pre 2007-2008 350z models, but the newer ones averages a 13.6 quarter mile and 0-60 in 5.1-5.2 seconds, with more than a handful hitting 13.1x's . Show me a stock 09 Cobalt SS doing better than that in the quarter mile and I'll believe you.
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VQ is the V6 Nissan uses in almost all its cars, including the new 370Z

Its got no low end power, and its harsh and rough in the higher rev's. Just read any review of the 350/370Z and you'll hear them criticize the car for that. Its also one of the worst sounding engines ever designed.

For $37K I'd expect to get a real motor, not some pile of crap out of a Nissan Maxima.

Calling the VQ a pile of crap is a real stretch. It's mad the Ward's 10 best engines list every year the list has been done. Now it is true that a lot of Nissans and Infinitis have engines with the name "VQ35" but trust me, they are not the same. Nissan just likes to confuse people by naming all the engines the same, probably so they can say its the #1 selling engine. Only some reviews say the VQ37 is harsh up top, but its mostly attributed to the exhaust system. And one of the worst sounding engines? It's no pushrod V8, but it is one of the better sound V6 engines out there. But engine sound is subjective anyway

BTW, although I drive a Z right now I'm not here with the purpose of defending it. I'm awaiting a 2SS.
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Seriously? 2003 sti?



Why dont you wise up and compare it to the 2007. BTW i like your edited performance categories that dont include slalom speed, 0-60 or track times.
They all use the same 2.5L non-forged motor. They are all rated at 300HP. The variation in performance is slight at best.

Of course the STi is going to be able to do 0-60 faster, its AWD. So for those owners who feel like cooking their clutches and grenading their powertrains, it will beat a Cobalt SS 0-60. However, if you don't launch it, the 0-60 times are very close.

Track times?? The Cobalt SS beat the supposedly godly Mitsubishi Evo MR around VIR. I think thats more than enough.
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They all use the same 2.5L non-forged motor. They are all rated at 300HP. The variation in performance is slight at best.

Of course the STi is going to be able to do 0-60 faster, its AWD. So for those owners who feel like cooking their clutches and grenading their powertrains, it will beat a Cobalt SS 0-60. However, if you don't launch it, the 0-60 times are very close.

Track times?? The Cobalt SS beat the supposedly godly Mitsubishi Evo MR around VIR. I think thats more than enough.
The 07' STi is quite a bit faster than the EVO X.



So the STi is faster in a straight line, faster on a track, and with performance upgrades that came with the 07' such as suspension and tires, its got better grip. The end.
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Fun Fact, no, it's not. It's faster than the pre 2007-2008 350z models, but the newer ones averages a 13.6 quarter mile and 0-60 in 5.1-5.2 seconds, with more than a handful hitting 13.1x's . Show me a stock 09 Cobalt SS doing better than that in the quarter mile and I'll believe you.
I've never seen a 350Z run anything close to a 13.1 second 1/4. It just doesn't happen, period.

They are low 14 second cars, possibly high 13 second cars with a perfect driver under perfect conditions. Those bullshit 13.1 times are just that, bullshit, those cars were obviously modded.
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Calling the VQ a pile of crap is a real stretch. It's mad the Ward's 10 best engines list every year the list has been done. Now it is true that a lot of Nissans and Infinitis have engines with the name "VQ35" but trust me, they are not the same. Nissan just likes to confuse people by naming all the engines the same, probably so they can say its the #1 selling engine. Only some reviews say the VQ37 is harsh up top, but its mostly attributed to the exhaust system. And one of the worst sounding engines? It's no pushrod V8, but it is one of the better sound V6 engines out there. But engine sound is subjective anyway

BTW, although I drive a Z right now I'm not here with the purpose of defending it. I'm awaiting a 2SS.
I've never been impressed by the VQ and I've been in plenty of them.

VQ is the engine family - the are all the same block, as well as the majority of engine components.

The VQ37 is most definitely harsh up top, and its not due to the exhaust system. Its due to the engine's natural imbalance, being that its a V6. So the vibrations get transmitted into the car in the form of NVH in the steering wheel, pedals, and shifter. Its very unpleasent by 7,000RPM, and actually quite embarrassing for a car that costs almost $40,000.

The reason other V6's (GM, Ford, Chrysler) don't have this issue is because they use balance shafts in their engines to smooth them out.
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I've never seen a 350Z run anything close to a 13.1 second 1/4. It just doesn't happen, period.

They are low 14 second cars, possibly high 13 second cars with a perfect driver under perfect conditions. Those bullshit 13.1 times are just that, bullshit, those cars were obviously modded.
So your argument is there is a conspiracy to spread false times for 350z's?



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I've never seen a 350Z run anything close to a 13.1 second 1/4. It just doesn't happen, period.

They are low 14 second cars, possibly high 13 second cars with a perfect driver under perfect conditions. Those bullshit 13.1 times are just that, bullshit, those cars were obviously modded.
obviously, because at the time the earlier 13.1's were run there existed no mods for the HR model. Nice try, please try again.
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