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Old 12-13-2011, 09:41 PM   #1
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Post Dear Mods,

Okay, this is a question to the mods and I would be shocked if it doesn't get moved. I just have a few things to say. First I’d like to start by saying don’t you think you’re going a bit over board? I mean come on, no doubt some stuff needs to be moved every now and again but moving things like the thread called “Rejected by another Camaro forum prior to joining Camaro5!” to the off-topic area is insanity. It is very much so not off topic as a matter of fact it is the most on topic thing I have seen in the 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions section. The whole idea is to talk about why he came to CAMARO5. I don’t see how this is not a general Camaro topic. Also, how could you move: any v6ers feel like this? To the Camaro V6 LLT / LFX Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons section, not only does this post have absolutely nothing to do with Bolt ons, LLT/LFX Engines or exhaust but the whole purpose behind the thread was to bash V6 but you decided it okay to move it to where the majority of V6 owners are located. Another thing that got to me was this one: Here she is!!! Which is was moved to the Members Car journal area… That is not a car journal by any regard. It is NEW member who posted a picture of his new car. I mean come on, the dude has 57 posts! He was sharing his excitement with the general population on CAMARO5, it’s not like he posted “Okay guys let me give you back ground story about my car…blah blah blah.” What really gets me is how you can move those kinds of post but not move one like this: Parking lights on to long when it clearly should be posted in one of our numerous Technical Camaro Topics areas.
Like I said before there are a few that were rightfully moved and one of them was mine. I posted about Christmas Time and was moved to the general section (rightfully so). I would have put it there to begin with but had no idea it was there. I have been on this site for a while and never took the time to scroll down and look to see what was at the bottom. Basically, don’t think I’m mad just because I had one of mine moved.
Anyway, I’m glad I got that off my chest. Take it or leave it.
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Moved to the site related/Suggestions/Feedback/Questions subforum. I don't see what's so complicated with posting in the correct subforum

Also, how is in any way the thread “Rejected by another Camaro forum prior to joining Camaro5!” involve the 5th generation camaro?

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Moved to the site related/Suggestions/Feedback/Questions subforum. I don't see what's so complicated with posting in the correct subforum

Also, how is in any way the thread “Rejected by another Camaro forum prior to joining Camaro5!” involve the 5th generation camaro?

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The problem is that they over lap, then you have a general area.

No however, it is directly about CAMARO5. Which id btw this site.
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The problem is that they over lap, then you have a general area.

No however, it is directly about CAMARO5. Which id btw this site.
The thread is about a member's experience with another forum. Yes, the forum was for camaro's (which we've pretty much determined was a 1st gen forum anyway, but I digress)

Let me try this: A square is an object with 4 sides of equal length and 4 right angles, a rectangle is an object with 4 sides of different lengthes and has 4 right angles, and a quadrilateral is an object that has 4 sides.

So, a square is a specific type of rectangle, and a rectangle is a specific type of quadrilateral. This is called organization.

Now for my final point:

It's called Four Square, not Four Quadrilateral
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This is the only forum that I have ever been on where there are mods who complain because they have to move threads and actually start threads about it.
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The thread is about a member's experience with another forum. Yes, the forum was for camaro's (which we've pretty much determined was a 1st gen forum anyway, but I digress)

Let me try this: A square is an object with 4 sides of equal length and 4 right angles, a rectangle is an object with 4 sides of different lengthes and has 4 right angles, and a quadrilateral is an object that has 4 sides.

So, a square is a specific type of rectangle, and a rectangle is a specific type of quadrilateral. This is called organization.

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It's called Four Square, not Four Quadrilateral
I like where you went with the shapes. Very condescending. Let me build on that thought.

Pretend that you have a forum called Quadrilaterals Anonymous. You have 4 Sections: General Quadrilateral Talk, Rectangle Talk, Square Talk, and Other.
Some one post in the General Quadrilateral Talk section about a Square. Does it not qualify to be there? If not, why? that is the General talk area. Just because it apply elsewhere too does that not make it welcome in both categories?
Counter to that. If someone posted about a Triangle in the General Quadrilateral section, undoubtedly it should be removed.
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This is the only forum that I have ever been on where there are mods who complain because they have to move threads and actually start threads about it.
It is most probably the most organized and easy to browse forum most people have ever been on...

We were asked to help keep the site organized... There are 15 or so of us, and there are 53,000 + members... I realize most are not heavily involved, but there are several thousand members on the boards every day... Some members have as many as twenty or more posts per day...

Would you rather we just let everyonee do what they want and have the site slowly die, because it doesn't work, or would you like to be able to come in, know where to go if you want to post whore, or where to go if you want to find specific topics and subjects, and discuss them with people interested in like minded information....

It's easy to not ask for consideration when you're on a site that doesn't care...

Here's the rub... WE CARE.... This is the only Camaro forum recognized by GM, and Chevrolet.... That says a lot....

Think of it like some do... It's like a home or place of business... for lack of better analogies.... I would much rather spend time in a nice, neat, clean and organized place than a dump.... Do you let people come into your house and trash it... There are huge numbers of members that have commented that Camaro5 is like family... so the analogy isn't too far out of line...

Is asking for a little help too much... if so.... then I can't reply further...
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It is most probably the most organized and easy to browse forum most people have ever been on...

We were asked to help keep the site organized... There are 15 or so of us, and there are 53,000 + members... I realize most are not heavily involved, but there are several thousand members on the boards every day... Some members have as many as twenty or more posts per day...

Would you rather we just let everyonee do what they want and have the site slowly die, because it doesn't work, or would you like to be able to come in, know where to go if you want to post whore, or where to go if you want to find specific topics and subjects, and discuss them with people interested in like minded information....

It's easy to not ask for consideration when you're on a site that doesn't care...

Here's the rub... WE CARE.... This is the only Camaro forum recognized by GM, and Chevrolet.... That says a lot....

Think of it like some do... It's like a home or place of business... for lack of better analogies.... I would much rather spend time in a nice, neat, clean and organized place than a dump.... Do you let people come into your house and trash it... There are huge numbers of members that have commented that Camaro5 is like family... so the analogy isn't too far out of line...

Is asking for a little help too much... if so.... then I can't reply further...
No no, i fullly understand this, and i mean no disrespect to you guys. But i'm saying you can't get that mad when there is already a clash of interests within the site. For example you cant put a stop sign and a stoplight together, it's one or the other.
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I like where you went with the shapes. Very condescending. Let me build on that thought.

Pretend that you have a forum called Quadrilaterals Anonymous. You have 4 Sections: General Quadrilateral Talk, Rectangle Talk, Square Talk, and Other.
Some one post in the General Quadrilateral Talk section about a Square. Does it not qualify to be there? If not, why? that is the General talk area. Just because it apply elsewhere too does that not make it welcome in both categories?
Counter to that. If someone posted about a Triangle in the General Quadrilateral section, undoubtedly it should be removed.
I'm not a mod but I'll take a stab at this one. The rules state that if it fits into a subtopic then that's where it goes. So to fit that rule, you would have to put it in Square talk because it fits better than General Quadrilateral talk.

For me I could care less where a thread is located because I mainly only use the new post tab.
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I like where you went with the shapes. Very condescending. Let me build on that thought.

Pretend that you have a forum called Quadrilaterals Anonymous. You have 4 Sections: General Quadrilateral Talk, Rectangle Talk, Square Talk, and Other.
Some one post in the General Quadrilateral Talk section about a Square. Does it not qualify to be there? If not, why? that is the General talk area. Just because it apply elsewhere too does that not make it welcome in both categories?
Counter to that. If someone posted about a Triangle in the General Quadrilateral section, undoubtedly it should be removed.
Does it hurt you that we try to keep our house clean... Please enlighten me how it bothers you that we do what we are tasked with...

I did a little looking, and the comment about you not knowing about all the sub-forums doesn't hold water... I went through approximately your first 100-125 or so posts... and you were in most every major sub, and quite a few minor sub forums... I can post them if you like...

Like I said in my last post, we were tasked with keeping the site organized and we are going to continue to do so... If it bothers you that much, while I hate to see members leave what I strongly feel is the very best Camaro forum on the internet, you do have options... No one is going to beg you to stay when you stir a pot like you have with this thread, intentionally starting it in the wrong area...

Why should the other moderators and I not be ablee to enjoy this forum due to having to spend all of our time cleaning up crap left behind by non caring members... We were members before being selected to be moderators... and we are still members... None of us are paid a dime for our time... Which I certainly have no issue with... I personally enjoy being a member of the Best Camaro Site on the web...

We will keep this site organized, and people with large numbers of posts may start recieving infractions if they can't/won't even make an attempt to help... We are perfectly willing to help new members figure it out... as I have done with numerous members... but someone with as many post as you have in as many areas of the forum as you have been should know the appropriate areas to start new threads...
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It is most probably the most organized and easy to browse forum most people have ever beenn...
For a Camaro site yes, ill give ya that. Compared to other sites that I am on, (not Camaro) its the same.

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We were asked to help keep the site organized... There are 15 or so of us, and there are 53,000 + members... I realize most are not heavily involved, but there are several thousand members on the boards every day... Some members have as many as twenty or more posts per day...
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Would you rather we just let everyonee do what they want and have the site slowly die, because it doesn't work, or would you like to be able to come in, know where to go if you want to post whore, or where to go if you want to find specific topics and subjects, and discuss them with people interested in like minded information....
I would rather not see complaning going on in regards to movement or post in the correct forum in each thread on the 2nd post, but thats just my opinion which means nada.


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It's easy to not ask for consideration when you're on a site that doesn't care...

Here's the rub... WE CARE.... This is the only Camaro forum recognized by GM, and Chevrolet.... That says a lot....
Thank you, you should its your site. I care because I am a member here.

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Think of it like some do... It's like a home or place of business... for lack of better analogies.... I would much rather spend time in a nice, neat, clean and organized place than a dump.... Do you let people come into your house and trash it... There are huge numbers of members that have commented that Camaro5 is like family... so the analogy isn't too far out of line...
To answer your question, no I do not.

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Is asking for a little help too much... if so.... then I can't reply further...
No it is not, but try going about it in a different way instead of the complaints being done in each thread, thats all im saying.
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For a Camaro site yes, ill give ya that. Compared to other sites that I am on, (not Camaro) its the same.



OK....



I would rather not see complaning going on in regards to movement or post in the correct forum in each thread on the 2nd post, but thats just my opinion which means nada.




Thank you, you should its your site. I care because I am a member here.



To answer your question, no I do not.


No it is not, but try going about it in a different way instead of the complaints being done in each thread, thats all im saying.
Thanks for your reply... and I'm not sure what you mean on the complaining in so many threads...

If you'll link me to it I'll certainly look.... We do have the big one in the general forums section that we periodically bump to the top... I will grant you it has been bumped several times on some days... but most people who have read that one can just ignore it... There is no need to re-read it... Some people only log on once every week or so, some not that often... We want to make sure as many people as possible see it...

I will submit that several of the mods will post a comment in a thread they are moving to let the op know why it's being moved... This is to remind them or let newer members know that there are subforums for different subjects...

We also try to leave an expiring link for a period of time... This is based somewhat on the number of posts a member has... several hundred to over a thousand... I personally leave a 2-3 hours link.... If it's a newer member, I often leave a 24 hour link so they can find where it went...

Most people can consider that if they started a thread and there is no link to it, it's either moderated, we are fixing it or hiding it to let the admin look at it (subject dependent) or it is flat out deleted... We all try to leave a link if we move a thread...

I hope some of this helps...
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Thanks for your reply... and I'm not sure what you mean on the complaining in so many threads...

If you'll link me to it I'll certainly look.... We do have the big one in the general forums section that we periodically bump to the top... I will grant you it has been bumped several times on some days... but most people who have read that one can just ignore it... There is no need to re-read it... Some people only log on once every week or so, some not that often... We want to make sure as many people as possible see it...

I will submit that several of the mods will post a comment in a thread they are moving to let the op know why it's being moved... This is to remind them or let newer members know that there are subforums for different subjects...

We also try to leave an expiring link for a period of time... This is based somewhat on the number of posts a member has... several hundred to over a thousand... I personally leave a 2-3 hours link.... If it's a newer member, I often leave a 24 hour link so they can find where it went...

Most people can consider that if they started a thread and there is no link to it, it's either moderated, we are fixing it or hiding it to let the admin look at it (subject dependent) or it is flat out deleted... We all try to leave a link if we move a thread...

I hope some of this helps...
Yes it does and Thank you for your time, however there are no links needed, as I am not here to call anyone specific person out. What I can say is that it is being done in many threads, maybe thats what he or she or they, were told to do, maybe he or she or they were just on one for the last few days..

But I did just search posts and found 5 complaints or complaning just within the last few days on the first couple pages in CAPITOL letters in various threads. Also threads moved for whatever reason, then moved back to the original forum.
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Does it hurt you that we try to keep our house clean... Please enlighten me how it bothers you that we do what we are tasked with...
I never said it bothered me, as a matter of fact I said that it is necessary to an extent.

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I did a little looking, and the comment about you not knowing about all the sub-forums doesn't hold water... I went through approximately your first 100-125 or so posts... and you were in most every major sub, and quite a few minor sub forums... I can post them if you like...
If you look again you will notice that I was in The Cali section or i was participating in post that were moved. My first 100-125 post make up 1/5 of all my post. You will also notice that today i was most active in other threads because today i actually tried to click on all them and take a look (just like you asked us to do).

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Like I said in my last post, we were tasked with keeping the site organized and we are going to continue to do so... If it bothers you that much, while I hate to see members leave what I strongly feel is the very best Camaro forum on the internet, you do have options... No one is going to beg you to stay when you stir a pot like you have with this thread, intentionally starting it in the wrong area...
No one was talking about leaving, no one was begging, i had simple questions/ statements that i wanted to make regarding the "Mod Squads" sudden outburst of moving thread issues. MOST IMPORTANTLY i DID NOT start this in the wrong are area on purpose. Just because you know this site like that back of your hand does not mean that all other do also.

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Why should the other moderators and I not be ablee to enjoy this forum due to having to spend all of our time cleaning up crap left behind by non caring members... We were members before being selected to be moderators... and we are still members... None of us are paid a dime for our time... Which I certainly have no issue with... I personally enjoy being a member of the Best Camaro Site on the web...
You should be able to enjoy the site. Also, you missed my point. I was saying that some of the stuff you move is fine where it is. Sites like these take work, and you guys need to understand that not everyone has the time to go through ever nook and cranny of the site when they have a simple question to ask.
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We will keep this site organized, and people with large numbers of posts may start recieving infractions if they can't/won't even make an attempt to help... We are perfectly willing to help new members figure it out... as I have done with numerous members... but someone with as many post as you have in as many areas of the forum as you have been should know the appropriate areas to start new threads...
This is by far my favorite part of your post. This is the underlining message in my post. Be patient, accept the fact that it takes time to learn they way around the site. Just like you and all others that came before, people weren't born with an overwhelming abundance of knowledge on CAMARO5.

Now, let me clear things up. I MEANT NO DISRESPECT. I was sharing my thoughts and ideas. My person OPINION which i am entitled to.
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Yes it does and Thank you for your time, however there are no links needed, as I am not here to call anyone specific person out. What I can say is that it is being done in many threads, maybe thats what he or she or they, were told to do, maybe he or she or they were just on one for the last few days..

But I did just search posts and found 5 complaints or complaning just within the last few days on the first couple pages in CAPITOL letters in various threads. Also threads moved for whatever reason, then moved back to the original forum.
I'm with you on this. I noticed it and while it is just a friendly gesture, it is beginning to be a little too much.
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I'm not a mod but I'll take a stab at this one. The rules state that if it fits into a subtopic then that's where it goes. So to fit that rule, you would have to put it in Square talk because it fits better than General Quadrilateral talk.

For me I could care less where a thread is located because I mainly only use the new post tab.
Hahahah i knew i was going to get called on that. I was just making a generalization. :P
But even then. If that were true then what would you put in the Quadrilateral section?
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Hahahah i knew i was going to get called on that. I was just making a generalization. :P
But even then. If that were true then what would you put in the Quadrilateral section?
You could start a thread that is a joke about two Quadrilaterals in a bar and a priest walks in.
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I never said it bothered me, as a matter of fact I said that it is necessary to an extent.


If you look again you will notice that I was in The Cali section or i was participating in post that were moved. My first 100-125 post make up 1/5 of all my post. You will also notice that today i was most active in other threads because today i actually tried to click on all them and take a look (just like you asked us to do).


No one was talking about leaving, no one was begging, i had simple questions/ statements that i wanted to make regarding the "Mod Squads" sudden outburst of moving thread issues. MOST IMPORTANTLY i DID NOT start this in the wrong are area on purpose. Just because you know this site like that back of your hand does not mean that all other do also.


You should be able to enjoy the site. Also, you missed my point. I was saying that some of the stuff you move is fine where it is. Sites like these take work, and you guys need to understand that not everyone has the time to go through ever nook and cranny of the site when they have a simple question to ask.

This is by far my favorite part of your post. This is the underlining message in my post. Be patient, accept the fact that it takes time to learn they way around the site. Just like you and all others that came before, people weren't born with an overwhelming abundance of knowledge on CAMARO5.

Now, let me clear things up. I MEANT NO DISRESPECT. I was sharing my thoughts and ideas. My person OPINION which i am entitled to.
Points taken and certainly to be considered... I actually thought about deleting this post after I put it up and read your last response to me...
I apologize for outbursting like I did... I was a little miffed at the tone taken in a response you made to someone else in this thread...

I agree it takes time to learn these forums... especially one as big as this... I will continue to help members as I can...

Again, we were tasked with keeping it organized, and we strive to do so... and like any person, we occasionally get frustrated... Not an excuse...

Thanks again for the comments and I will take them under consideration and other mods can certainly read this thread...
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Old 12-13-2011, 11:58 PM   #20
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I'm not a mod but I'll take a stab at this one. The rules state that if it fits into a subtopic then that's where it goes. So to fit that rule, you would have to put it in Square talk because it fits better than General Quadrilateral talk.

For me I could care less where a thread is located because I mainly only use the new post tab.
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Old 12-14-2011, 12:00 AM   #21
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You could start a thread that is a joke about two Quadrilaterals in a bar and a priest walks in.
Hahahah i guess! :P
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Points taken and certainly to be considered... I actually thought about deleting this post after I put it up and read your last response to me...
I apologize for outbursting like I did... I was a little miffed at the tone taken in a response you made to someone else in this thread...

I agree it takes time to learn these forums... especially one as big as this... I will continue to help members as I can...

Again, we were tasked with keeping it organized, and we strive to do so... and like any person, we occasionally get frustrated... Not an excuse...

Thanks again for the comments and I will take them under consideration and other mods can certainly read this thread...
100% no problem. No harm no foul. I understand that it can get very frustrating.
Also, your statements have not gone unheard, i will be making more of an effort to place my posts according to their proper location.
I apologize for coming off like an A-hole, it's just my personality lol. I honestly didn't mean any disrespect. thank you for your time.
Stieger, i'm amusing the bad attitude he heard was directed at you. I apologize, i had great respect for you before you became a mod while i was/am following your build thread, and continue to have great respect for you.
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Old 12-14-2011, 12:02 AM   #22
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OK you know what, as apparently some of you refuse to understand why we move and organize threads. Hypothetically, would you prefer if we could turn OFF the subforums for you (and/or any other member that wants this feature). Mind you you would have NO organization and threads would all be just one big list. If that's what you want then I will do my best to make that happen for you.

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Hahahah i guess! :P


100% no problem. No harm no foul. I understand that it can get very frustrating.
Also, your statements have not gone unheard, i will be making more of an effort to place my posts according to their proper location.
I apologize for coming off like an A-hole, it's just my personality lol. I honestly didn't mean any disrespect. thank you for your time.
Stieger, i'm amusing the bad attitude he heard was directed at you. I apologize, i had great respect for you before you became a mod while i was/am following your build thread, and continue to have great respect for you.
Thank you much, and no worries. A tough childhood of beatings taught me to roll with the punches. Thank you for that last part, it's really appreciated. I honestly do my best to help out where I can, and I mean I kind of cheat the subforum system because I use the "New Posts" button more than anything. The way I look at the subforum thing is as a hierarchy. Here's my analogy without using shapes (btw I was not in any way trying to be condescending with the shapes thing - it just seemed like a really good example to me).

OK so Congress right. Let's say I have a question about the emissions laws of California in regards to my SS. So my first option is to ask all of congress this question (the general camaro subforum). Now while I will get a LOT of responses, how many of them do you think are accurate? I mean the entire congress can't specialize in California emissions laws can it? How would it do anything else. OK so my next step is to go ask the State Emissions committee (the V8 exhaust, bolt-on, engine subforum). Now I'm getting somewhere, these guys are giving me specific details about emissions laws. Problem is, the committee is like 15 people and they can't all be from California right? So now I need to hunt down the California represenative on the State Emissions committee (Cali - regional subforum). Bam this guy knows his shit. He answers all my questions in under 30 minutes.


So where I'm going with this is that yes, you can ask all of congress your question, but how helpful will that be? Getting all of these different responses at once? Wouldn't it be easier, AND faster to go find the California represenative on the State Emissions committee? His only job is to know California state emissions laws, so he'll probably answer your question in a matter of minutes.
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OK you know what, as apparently some of you refuse to understand why we move and organize threads. Hypothetically, would you prefer if we could turn OFF the subforums for you (and/or any other member that wants this feature). Mind you you would have NO organization and threads would all be just one big list. If that's what you want then I will do my best to make that happen for you.
EDIT: NVM YOU WEREN'T FINISHED lol. my bad.
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>>>>>moved to the "movies and theater talk" section. >>>>>GET LOST MR. POPCORN>>>>>
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OK you know what, as apparently some of you refuse to understand why we move and organize threads. Hypothetically, would you prefer if we could turn OFF the subforums for you (and/or any other member that wants this feature). Mind you you would have NO organization and threads would all be just one big list. If that's what you want then I will do my best to make that happen for you.


Thank you much, and no worries. A tough childhood of beatings taught me to roll with the punches. Thank you for that last part, it's really appreciated. I honestly do my best to help out where I can, and I mean I kind of cheat the subforum system because I use the "New Posts" button more than anything. The way I look at the subforum thing is as a hierarchy. Here's my analogy without using shapes (btw I was not in any way trying to be condescending with the shapes thing - it just seemed like a really good example to me).

OK so Congress right. Let's say I have a question ....
I learn something new every day i'm on here. I had no idea what the new post button did. I'm going to click it right now!
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