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Old 10-26-2007, 10:14 PM   #1
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Exclamation Speeders BEWARE

Well..., guess we're all going to have to look out not only for the cops but Helen, the busy-body next door too.

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Old 10-26-2007, 10:17 PM   #2
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I can see the reasoning behind this idea...but...I think it's stupid. Really in poor taste.
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Old 10-27-2007, 01:35 AM   #3
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if getting busted by the cops dosent stop chronic speeders from speeding, some old geezer sitting on his porch with a radar gun wont make a difference. these are just people who need something to do.
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Wow...if it makes them slow down. Having your radar detector go off slows just about everyone w/ the radar detector. That'll work to keep some of the speeders from continuing.

My question...what happens if someone is given a few "warnings?" Can the PD eventually take some sort of action against the driver? I don't think there's any way. Has to be an officer witnessing the event to take action. I could see more benefits than drawbacks from this. But, it won't solve the problem unless the regular speeder finally gets that couple hundred dollar ticket.
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Yes, because what we need is more hassling from our neighbors. Great.
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Personally, I think it's a good idea.

I've asked the local police dept. to place one of those small trailer-signs showing "Your Speed" in front of the house, but there is a waiting list!

I'm sick and tired of seeing too many a-hole's, in their huge SUV's, talking on the cell phone, accelerating like their at a drag strip only to slam on the brakes to negotiate the tight turns which are on the road I live on.

Living "out in the sticks", many of the roads are two lane, narrow, winding roads, with many elevation changes, blind spots, etc., and these morons who are in such a hurry, talking on their cell phones, and even applying make-up, (all of which I witness almost every day) is ridiculous.

I'm certain there are a good many who feel the way I do. If you don't want to be harrassed by "Helen", or "the neighbors", show some restraint. I personally make sure I'm doing the speed limit whenever I'm in the area where I live.

Maybe it's just getting older, but there are lots of places to "open 'em up", but, neighborhoods are not the place. I often take the SS out to the local interstate, bypass, etc., and "stretch his legs".

I don't want idiots racing past my house, and I doubt anyone here does either. I say "Nail the idiots any chance you get."
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I the same problem on my street, bunch of kids in their parents Mercedes, BMWs, Lexii (plural of Lexus) Infinitis, etc racing up my street only to slam on their brakes for the stop sign or light on either end of the street. As much as I would like to see that end, having some old grumpy man or lady aiming a radar gun at me every time I come up the street just looking for an excuse to hassle me is not the way to do it. I'm all for protecting your own private property, but lets leave law enforcement on public streets to the police. Really, can you imagine how annoying it would be to be driving down the streets of this great free country only to have all these old busybodies looking for anything to do during retirement sitting on their porch aiming radar guns all over the place? Seems a little ridiculous to me.
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the funny thing about this is that a couple weeks ago, I was getting out of class late everyday, which in turn shortens the time I have to run back to the house, let the dogs out (haha, I let the dogs out), and get changed and get to work. so every day I get off the highway and floor it the first few blocks of the road I live on. (dont worry, tho, there is a dealership and an open lot on either side, so no houses for a few blocks.) and of course, with the way my cutout is messed up (stuck open) I sound like a nascar approaching at 200mph when I get to the actual neighborhood. well, after doing this for about 2 weeks I was coming home from class after getting out early so I was taking my time, and sure enough there is a patrol car sitting on the empty lot side of the road and my radar is going wild. (thank god I had to wait on traffic for the turn or he might have something to brag about.)

told me straight out, people dont like camaros roaring thru their streets. then again there are other people in various vehicles that fly thru there faster than me.
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I don't want people racing thru neighborhoods, either...Interstates are different story. And I make it a point to go under/at the limit around houses(you never know when a basket-ball will roll out into the street)...But this is almost vigilante-ism, I'm not sure a "warning letter" will stop anybody.
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I like the idea of the signs that show your speed. And to those that don't like the idea of being annoyed with 'speeding letters', would you rather have cops giving you tickets? Personally i would take a warning any time over a ticket. And who's going 13 over in a residential area?
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I like the idea of the signs that show your speed. And to those that don't like the idea of being annoyed with 'speeding letters', would you rather have cops giving you tickets? Personally i would take a warning any time over a ticket. And who's going 13 over in a residential area?


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lets be real...I really think the average citizen dosent just speed through residential areas. I know that I dont, but I also know from what Ive seen the ones who do are the ones driving they're expensive cars/suv's, on they're cell phones. And no matter how many tickets they get they can afford them, and they never get they're liscence took cause they can afford great lawyers. I lived in georgia, in one of the biggest retirement areas in the US and there are a lot of rich retirees. Ive never seen people in my life that drive this bad, and Im from Chicago. Ive seen this one maserati pulled over at least 7 times in a 6 month period, the guy never got his liscence pulled. had that been me Id have no liscence. to me its just a waste of time and money, how bout we put more effort into getting the people who dont care about the law off the roads, and make it to so that no matter how much money you make the law dosent bend or brake for you. we do a great job of getting the people who cant afford a lawyer, and shouldent be behind the wheel off the road.
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Yeah, I doubt a warning letter will stop ANYONE who speeds up or down my street. They are the kind of people who think their fancy expensive cars make them king of the world. Sadly, there are few real solutions. Speed bumps create problems for firetrucks, ambulances, and other emergency vehicles. Warnings from vigilantes (which is what this is) or signs showing your speed don't affect all the narcissists, which are the real problem speeders. There are not enough police officers and related resources to post them at all the trouble spots. Speed cameras aren't perfect and can, like red-light cameras, falsely ticket someone when a live police officer would see that there was no offense. Who's to say the camera was calibrated properly? So I appreciate any new ideas to catch speeders, but I just don't think this is the right solution sadly. Sigh.
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^I like some of your input, there.

Speedbumps are annoying...and I'll still go over them at 45 mph if I have to. The car doesn't even notice it. I don't speed in residential areas. Doing that is just plain low. You are basically saying you don't have any respect for anyone who lives there....kinda like making a joke about your friends mom. You just don't do it.

The problem is, the officers do the best they can. Then, it's up to the courts. I have seen people arrested on their 13th DWI and they are still driving around on the roads. I say it's time to start taking their cars...for DWI's that is. Not for speeders. But, heftier fines for speeders after so many. Actually, the law already kind of works like that. You accrue points. After so many, it's costs in the hundreds to renew your license. They have all sorts of surcharges, etc. you have to pay. If you don't, your license is suspended. Then, if you are caught driving, you are booked for Driving While License Invalid (class B). Some people just don't care, though. Yeah...it's pathetic.
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but there are lots of places to "open 'em up", but, neighborhoods are not the place. I often take the SS out to the local interstate, bypass, etc., and "stretch his legs".
Umm, interstates aren't the place to redline your performance vehicle either. But we do it late at night when nobody's on the road, right? ...riiight

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There are not enough police officers and related resources to post them at all the trouble spots. Speed cameras aren't perfect and can, like red-light cameras, falsely ticket someone when a live police officer would see that there was no offense. Who's to say the camera was calibrated properly?
There's no calibration needed with CCTV and it's all being recorded. Now some of you might think that CCTV is getting into "Big Brother" territory or just creating privacy concerns, but if an on-duty officer is monitoring a "troubled area" just as he/she would be if they were cruising it anyway and looking for speeders, crime etc... and can not see into someone's house... then I don't see the big deal. One cop could monitor a larger area, and get the whole offense on tape. Just driving through a neighborhood and seeing warning signs alerting you that you're being monitored and recorded would deter most drivers right away. Not impossible, but hard to argue with video.

And giving a license & car to a 16 year old kid is just plain stupid. Young males drivers (ages 16-19) speed more often than older drivers, so for this, states ought to restrict licensed drivers to 18 and up, period.
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Speed cameras do need to be calibrated, because they measure speed by taking two pictures and measuring the distance the car has traveled in between those two shots. If the gap between the time each picture is taken is wrong, then the distanced measured will not give the same indication of speed. As an aside, it has been demonstrated that if you travel at something well over 100 mph you can actually outrun the speed camera because you drive out of frame by the time the second picture is taken.
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k, I'm talking about CCTV, closed-circuit television cameras that record video- not speed cameras.
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And giving a license & car to a 16 year old kid is just plain stupid. Young males drivers (ages 16-19) speed more often than older drivers, so for this, states ought to restrict licensed drivers to 18 and up, period.
That's depressing...I got a car (crapper - but still a car) when I was 16.5, right after that 6 month period to get your license. It's bad enough we get charged to death by insurance companies, I couldn't imagine having to wait untill I was 18 to drive...how would I get to work...

Note: I "speed", only on the highways, and thruways, when either the traffic is going above the limit, or there is nobody around. I didn't do that untill I learned the road, and where the turns/hills/trouble spots were. The way I look at it, is, there's just speeding to go fast - which is what causes accidents, and then there's "speeding", when you're going faster than "you should" but you know how to control/be safe with your vehicle.

The issue I have is when people (Not you eisenhower - you said 'more often') argue that "oh, teenage guys are just terrible drivers, all of them speed, they are what cause the most accidents..." yadda, yadda.....It's not all of us. and after 3 years of completely SAFE driving: Yes I speed. Yes I've gotten into close calls (not always while I'm going fast). But, I've never gotten a ticket, and never had an accident, VERY rarely cut somebody off (only when they are speeding and I don't realize it), and never had to jerk/turn real fast to avoid a collision (I pay attention)....After 3 years, I should not have to pay as much as the a$$holes out there who DO do all the above things.

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That's depressing...I got a car (crapper - but still a car) when I was 16.5, right after that 6 month period to get your license. It's bad enough we get charged to death by insurance companies, I couldn't imagine having to wait untill I was 18 to drive...how would I get to work...

Note: I "speed", only on the highways, and thruways, when either the traffic is going above the limit, or there is nobody around. I didn't do that untill I learned the road, and where the turns/hills/trouble spots were. The way I look at it, is, there's just speeding to go fast - which is what causes accidents, and then there's "speeding", when you're going faster than "you should" but you know how to control/be safe with your vehicle.

The issue I have is when people (Not you eisenhower - you said 'more often') argue that "oh, teenage guys are just terrible drivers, all of them speed, they are what cause the most accidents..." yadda, yadda.....It's not all of us. and after 3 years of completely SAFE driving: Yes I speed. Yes I've gotten into close calls (not always while I'm going fast). But, I've never gotten a ticket, and never had an accident, VERY rarely cut somebody off (only when they are speeding and I don't realize it), and never had to jerk/turn real fast to avoid a collision (I pay attention)....After 3 years, I should not have to pay as much as the a$$holes out there who DO do all the above things.

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I was part of the same statistics... well, I "may" have made the statistics worst but-but... we're not talking about me.:p It def is not ALL young male drivers- but enough to get the attention of the insurance companies, that's for sure.

But if you have a kid that is of driving age and you want them to drive the family Oldsmobile, you can monitor their driving habits using GPS.
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But if you have a kid that is of driving age and you want them to drive the family Oldsmobile, you can monitor their driving habits using GPS.
Don't they also have this OBD connector that records throttle position, speed, ect for something like 250 hours straight?
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Yup. It's the younger female drivers that get into more accidents than the rest. But, the younger males get more tickets and tend to speed more. I had a few speeding tickets...no big deal. But, I never got into an accident because of it. Come to think of it, I've been driving for 14 years and have been in three accidents. None were my fault. I was rear ended while at a stop light by a female in a Jaguar. I rear ended a female driving a van after she crossed a physical barrier slamming on her brakes in front of me. And...the last one where the 16 year old girl snuck out of the house while she was grounded taking moms car w/out asking (of course) at 11:30. She pulled out in front of me failing to yield on a left turn. What's up w/ the females??? hehe.

I think the age limit is just fine for drivers licenses. Sure, there's some bad drivers. But, the decision on whether they get their license or not should be up to the instructor who teaches them. There are millions of 16 year olds across this country who know it's a privilage to operate a motor vehicle on a public roadway and these people play it safe. Just because some of them like to speed, doesn't mean all the rest should be penalized. I'd like to hook up that GPS w/a recorder so I could watch how my kids drive. Of course, that'll be years down the road.
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k, I'm talking about CCTV, closed-circuit television cameras that record video- not speed cameras.
And I'm talking about Speed Cameras. Stop changing the subject like that. CCTV can't record actual speed, so you can't ticket the person using just that, and you can't catch them by sending the police after the fact.
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CCTV can't record actual speed, so you can't ticket the person using just that, and you can't catch them by sending the police after the fact.
Yes CCTV CAN record actual speed, it's live video. You're still measuring an object's speed based on the time it takes it to travel from point A to point B. Grow up.

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And I'm talking about Speed Cameras. Stop changing the subject like that.
I thought we we talking about viable options to catch speeders??? Wasn't it YOU that posted this:

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So I appreciate any new ideas to catch speeders, but I just don't think this is the right solution sadly. Sigh.
So I offer up an "idea", you misread it and then have a cow about it.
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Don't they also have this OBD connector that records throttle position, speed, ect for something like 250 hours straight?
Never liked that thing, never had it...but thought it was cool.
Unsure, but in this kid's case it could possibly help.
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