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Old 12-22-2011, 04:36 PM   #26
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I've often thought that. Just because it's newer doesn't mean it's better. Oh yeah I'll take a 69' over a 70' any day.
One of the great attributes of the 1st generation was being limited to 3 production years. If the 2nd generation was only made for 3 years (70,71,72) there would be more love for those models also.

The Gen5 will be limited to 6 years, the 3rd shortest run of Camaros. I think the styling is still going to survive the test of time for 3 more years, just give us a Gen5 Z/28.
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One of the great attributes of the 1st generation was being limited to 3 production years. If the 2nd generation was only made for 3 years (70,71,72) there would be more love for those models also.
67-69 Camaro's did not exhibit much in body style changes. I agree this short run, with the lack of major body or design change, in addition to it being the first series produced, make those qualities great attributes and the car a true collectble. There are many other reasons I feel that way but that's for another time. From an asthetic point of view, the second generation Camaro changed four times. From the best looking version IMHO '70-'73 <why may I ask you left out '73?>, to a '74 with identical body panels and aluminum bumpers, then '75 through '77, with a new rear quarter and window. These were all identical across the board with the aluminum bumpers and no body changes., Then came '78 though '81 with molded bumper fascia's. The Gen 2 was a drastically changing, morphing car. Many sub-divisions and revisions occured within that generation, which were wider and broader in scope to the Gen 1 Camaro which remained comparatively static in design and did not vary much. Gen 1 is a true classic for sure. However, there's plenty of love for Gen 2...and within that generation are subdivisions of loyal followers, each equally in love with their particular section of production design. Stopping at a certain design year point would have no bearing on how much love was created. For the youth, it's more of the age, or period, versus product availability at that given time that creates fondness, or love. Those who look back are not privy to such knowledge, for they were not there to live it. As far as I am concerned, being an 'ol fossil, Z-28's ended in '74. Just my 02. I sure am looking forward to it's return...., in the current Gen 5 body style. This current model I feel can't be improved upon....just like the Gen 1's design it was inspired from, both are timeless classic's and automotive works of art.
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Well said, if they make a 5th generation z/28 with an LS7 I would consider trading mine in, that would be the only way I would let mine go. I could have bought a ZL1 but I prefer NA engines, the bigger the better (as my camaro is a toy and not a DD)
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Z/28: Now...or '16?

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One of the great attributes of the 1st generation was being limited to 3 production years. If the 2nd generation was only made for 3 years (70,71,72) there would be more love for those models also.

The Gen5 will be limited to 6 years, the 3rd shortest run of Camaros. I think the styling is still going to survive the test of time for 3 more years, just give us a Gen5 Z/28.
Yes, but I'd say it would have more to do with the fact that the early years were the best years for the 2nd gen. The cars at the end of the run were ... less than spectacular.
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Old 12-23-2011, 01:49 AM   #33
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I think A Z/28 may come near the end of this generation, possibly 2014 or 2015 as the ZL1 should have its run. If they do a Z/28 I doubt it will have an LS7 as the cost of the engine is double that of the LS3. That being said, without a suitable engine, unless they beef up a NA LS3 I would assume that there is a possibility that we may not see the Z28 until 2016. Therefore gen 5 may not get a z28 and everyone holding out may miss the boat. I personally love the gen 5 so I bought it. If a Z28 comes out I'll consider trading it in, I may or may not be interested in a Gen 6 Camaro regardless of the Z28 option if it does not look as good as this generation. Just my two cents.
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Yes, but I'd say it would have more to do with the fact that the early years were the best years for the 2nd gen. The cars at the end of the run were ... less than spectacular.
How many other muscle/pony car models had great performance numbers or styling enhancements from 74 to the 80's? This is when the smog pumps, catalytic converters, bigger bumpers for safety....came into play. It was very disappointing to come out of college in 1976 and have nothing much new to buy. Nothing rock the muscle world again on till a Buick (GN) of all things appeared. And guess what it was V6 turbo !!!!!!

I eventually bought a '80 Z/28 new that was fun for the time. I'm really enjoying this resurgence with the Gen5 and glad to see that GM is already planning the Gen6.
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This just in, via GM Inside News, the Gen-6 Camaro will bow as an MY-'16. Perhaps as soon as early CY '15. And apparently there will be a DI 6.2L.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...2016-a-107703/

Combined with the smaller ATS-sized platform, sounds like the future makings of a badge-worthy ZEE, potentially...

Will we have to wait that l-o-n-g to see a ZEE?

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How many other muscle/pony car models had great performance numbers or styling enhancements from 74 to the 80's? This is when the smog pumps, catalytic converters, bigger bumpers for safety....came into play. It was very disappointing to come out of college in 1976 and have nothing much new to buy. Nothing rock the muscle world again on till a Buick (GN) of all things appeared. And guess what it was V6 turbo !!!!!!

I eventually bought a '80 Z/28 new that was fun for the time. I'm really enjoying this resurgence with the Gen5 and glad to see that GM is already planning the Gen6.
The only car that had any power at the end of the 70's was the 400/403 Trans Am. And it really only had torque (320 ft lbs)as the HP was only 220. It did however have the WS6 handling package that included 4 wheel disc brakes. Even the Vette was not close to this car (for that time).
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How many other muscle/pony car models had great performance numbers or styling enhancements from 74 to the 80's? This is when the smog pumps, catalytic converters, bigger bumpers for safety....came into play. It was very disappointing to come out of college in 1976 and have nothing much new to buy. Nothing rock the muscle world again on till a Buick (GN) of all things appeared. And guess what it was V6 turbo !!!!!!

I eventually bought a '80 Z/28 new that was fun for the time. I'm really enjoying this resurgence with the Gen5 and glad to see that GM is already planning the Gen6.
Actually the smog pumps started appearing earlier than that, I think '67&'68 the Z/28s in California were mandated to have them, in '69 GM went with the smog pump on all Z/28s. That was the first thing I took off of mine when I took delivery in '69, goodbye smog pump and put threaded plugs into the exhaust headers where the pump lines went to. And you are correct, it was all downhill from the early '70s on as more and more emissions and saftey features were added while horsepower disappeared.
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How many other muscle/pony car models had great performance numbers or styling enhancements from 74 to the 80's? This is when the smog pumps, catalytic converters, bigger bumpers for safety....came into play. It was very disappointing to come out of college in 1976 and have nothing much new to buy. Nothing rock the muscle world again on till a Buick (GN) of all things appeared. And guess what it was V6 turbo !!!!!!

I eventually bought a '80 Z/28 new that was fun for the time. I'm really enjoying this resurgence with the Gen5 and glad to see that GM is already planning the Gen6.
Smog pumps, really? A quick look back shows this....and my memory is old and foggy I admit to fully remember otherwise without researching, and I suspect it's even further back...but look at the pic and you tell us...how much this predates your statement.

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Smog pumps, really? A quick look back shows this....and my memory is old and foggy I admit to fully remember otherwise without researching, and I suspect it's even further back...but look at the pic and you tell us...how much this predates your statement.

Sorry I had a 396 big block Camaro and a 396 big block Chevelle that did not have smog pumps. So the big blocks did not have smog pumps till the 70s.
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Sorry I had a 396 big block Camaro and a 396 big block Chevelle that did not have smog pumps. So the big blocks did not have smog pumps till the 70s.
Which versions of the 396 (i.e. HP) did you have? I'm just wondering if some versions did and some didn't.
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I'm a-thinkin' they ALL did by '69. My brother's L78 '69 Nova did...but its deletion was a popular "Day-2 mod"...
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Sorry I had a 396 big block Camaro and a 396 big block Chevelle that did not have smog pumps. So the big blocks did not have smog pumps till the 70s.
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I'm a-thinkin' they ALL did by '69. My brother's L78 '69 Nova did...but its deletion was a popular "Day-2 mod"...
In 1968 and 1969, the California and federal emissions requirements were the same and all cars were built to the same 50-state standard. The AIR system was installed on all L6 cars with manual transmissions, all small blocks with manual transmissions, and all Camaros with big blocks. (Chevelles and full-size cars with the 396/325hp engine and TH400 transmission were the only 68-69 Chevrolet big block cars that did not have smog pumps.) Only the automatic L6 and automatic small block Camaros did not have smog pumps, instead they had the simpler Controlled Combustion System. Generally speaking, an automatic car required less aggressive emission control than a manual transmission car because the engine load (and carburetor fuel metering consistency) was more stable and predictable.

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Which versions of the 396 (i.e. HP) did you have? I'm just wondering if some versions did and some didn't.
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Both were the 325hp models.
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"In 1968 and 1969, the California and federal emissions requirements were the same and all cars were built to the same 50-state standard. The AIR system was installed on all L6 cars with manual transmissions, all small blocks with manual transmissions, and all Camaros with big blocks. (Chevelles and full-size cars with the 396/325hp engine and TH400 transmission were the only 68-69 Chevrolet big block cars that did not have smog pumps.) Only the automatic L6 and automatic small block Camaros did not have smog pumps, instead they had the simpler Controlled Combustion System. Generally speaking, an automatic car required less aggressive emission control than a manual transmission car because the engine load (and carburetor fuel metering consistency) was more stable and predictable.

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If I were to guess....I think the smart decision would be to wait for the 6th generation. But not for any nostaligic reasons. Simply because I'm not convinced there's a place for a Z/28 (worthy of the name) in the 5th gen lineup....my .02.
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If I were to guess....I think the smart decision would be to wait for the 6th generation. But not for any nostaligic reasons. Simply because I'm not convinced there's a place for a Z/28 (worthy of the name) in the 5th gen lineup....my .02.
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