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Old 12-27-2011, 09:29 AM   #26
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:48 AM   #27
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For aero I think the ZL1 front-end, front spoiler, rear spoiler, and side skirts would be perfect given all the hours spent developing them. It will also help spread the cost of the ZL1's development. That being said to differentiate it from the ZL1 I would not use the same hood or grill. The hood as Old School has mentioned should optimize the (dare I say it) LS7's intake. Personally I love the Hot Wheels hood. The grill should be a more flattened design less angled to each side. This should provide better aerodynamics. The grill area should be blacked-out like the Hot Wheels Camaro, along with the tail area.

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Old 12-27-2011, 12:10 PM   #28
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:32 PM   #29
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In the beginning, EVERYTHING was an option code. In '67, you started with a Sport Coupe or Convertible...and added anything/everything else.

12337 = 6-Cylinder Sport Coupe
12437 = 327/210 V8 Sport Coupe
12367 = 6-Cylinder Convertible
12467 = 327/210 V8 Convertible
Z21 = Style Trim Group
Z22 = Rally Sport Package
Z23 = Special Interior Group
Z28 = Special Performance Package (NOTE: 4 different option versions...)
SS Package = Engine option codes L48 (350/295hp), L35 (396/325hp), or L78 (396/375hp), which then "forced on" the SS content.

http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-h...let-Camaro.pdf (pages 50-54)

Oh for those "simple days"...

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Old 12-27-2011, 03:29 PM   #30
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In the beginning, EVERYTHING was an option code. In '67, you started with a Sport Coupe or Convertible...and added anything/everything else.

12337 = 6-Cylinder Sport Coupe
12437 = 327/210 V8 Sport Coupe
12367 = 6-Cylinder Convertible
12467 = 327/210 V8 Convertible
Z21 = Style Trim Group
Z22 = Rally Sport Package
Z23 = Special Interior Group
Z28 = Special Performance Package (NOTE: 4 different option versions...)
SS Package = Engine option codes L48 (350/295hp), L35 (396/325hp), or L78 (396/375hp), which then "forced on" the SS content.

http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-h...let-Camaro.pdf (pages 50-54)

Oh for those "simple days"...
You forgot Z27.
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For aero I think the ZL1 front-end, front spoiler, rear spoiler, and side skirts would be perfect given all the hours spent developing them. It will also help spread the cost of the ZL1's development. That being said to differentiate it from the ZL1 I would not use the same hood or grill. The hood as Old School has mentioned should optimize the (dare I say it) LS7's intake. Personally I love the Hot Wheels hood. The grill should be a more flattened design less angled to each side. This should provide better aerodynamics. The grill area should be blacked-out like the Hot Wheels Camaro, along with the tail area.
LS7,... LS7,... LS7....<with cold air inducted hood>
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In the beginning, EVERYTHING was an option code. In '67, you started with a Sport Coupe or Convertible...and added anything/everything else.

12337 = 6-Cylinder Sport Coupe
12437 = 327/210 V8 Sport Coupe
12367 = 6-Cylinder Convertible
12467 = 327/210 V8 Convertible
Z21 = Style Trim Group
Z22 = Rally Sport Package
Z23 = Special Interior Group
Z28 = Special Performance Package (NOTE: 4 different option versions...)
SS Package = Engine option codes L48 (350/295hp), L35 (396/325hp), or L78 (396/375hp), which then "forced on" the SS content.

http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-h...let-Camaro.pdf (pages 50-54)

Oh for those "simple days"...
....with high performance muscle options....not forgetting tranny and rear axle upgrades
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:50 PM   #32
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The new COPO is close to the equivalent 69 ZL1. The new ZL1 is a totally new beast with an old name and nothing historically to compare it to. It's like they took what could be a Z/28 suspension and put it under an SS on steroids.

They're making new history using old names.... and that's fine, I'm getting used to it.

On that premise, here goes nuttin'..... The Jay Leno car could easily be a new Z/28.
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Old 12-28-2011, 06:37 PM   #34
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Not going' V6 until we have to.
A big majority feels that way, that's why I think they didn't do it. I'd like to see an LS7 car, but that's a high dollar motor.

Cam, head, intake and headers on LS3 would be nice.... maybe even de-stroked crank and let it rev
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The LS7 is expensive, but look what you get. It is a race motor for the street. Hmmm, wouldn't that make for a great Z28 engine?! If output is increased maybe they'll come down in price.
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The new COPO is close to the equivalent 69 ZL1. The new ZL1 is a totally new beast with an old name and nothing historically to compare it to. It's like they took what could be a Z/28 suspension and put it under an SS on steroids.

They're making new history using old names.... and that's fine, I'm getting used to it.

On that premise, here goes nuttin'..... The Jay Leno car could easily be a new Z/28.
Already discussed and dealt with, the new COPO is an NHRA drag race car and does not come anywhere close to being a proper Z/28. A V-6 Z/28, that's something I'm not likely to ever buy, even though at my advanced age I'll likely not have a real chance to buy a Z/28 except late 5th gen or a 6th gen version. If they go V-6, they've lost my sale.
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Old 12-28-2011, 07:41 PM   #37
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Already discussed and dealt with, the new COPO is an NHRA drag race car and does not come anywhere close to being a proper Z/28. A V-6 Z/28, that's something I'm not likely to ever buy, even though at my advanced age I'll likely not have a real chance to buy a Z/28 except late 5th gen or a 6th gen version. If they go V-6, they've lost my sale.
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m6 only no auto no sunroof option 19"wheels summer only tires ls3 20deg more intake duration 25 exhaust 116 icl lower engine mounts cnc ported heads zl1 areo pkg some recaros with alloy brackets. fiber glass hood and deck lid as well as std rool up windows. and 3" exhaust muffler bypass with auto setting and driver controlled. fe4 bushings eibach sport line springs and sway bars koni sa shocks covertable strut tower bracing. carbon fiber roof option, back seat option also. has to run 12.2 and pull 1.12g on street tires stop from 60 in 101'

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Not going' V6 until we have to.
Agreed. I can't accept that fate, one worse than death itself. Ain't gonna do it...."We're not gonna lose. Not gonna do it!"


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A big majority feels that way, that's why I think they didn't do it. I'd like to see an LS7 car, but that's a high dollar motor.

Cam, head, intake and headers on LS3 would be nice.... maybe even de-stroked crank and let it rev
Agreed, that is if you do it yourself. GM's all about using what's on the shelf. Certification, R&D....expensive bottom lines. They are not going to go through the LS3 again. Pick your best tool off the shelf and run with it. LS7 is the only logical shelf readily available weapon of mass destruction suitable. May I respectfully suggest you go the GMPP and see what a LS3 and LS7 crate motor cost. Then, look at a few other GM direct wholesalers who sell the same product for a margin less. It's not all that big a difference in price considering the big difference between the two in engineering.
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The LS7 is expensive, but look what you get. It is a race motor for the street. Hmmm, wouldn't that make for a great Z28 engine?! If output is increased maybe they'll come down in price.
Output increase is for the consumer to do. Historically, Chevy engines are stout, and are given much room for opportunity in the cam, induction, and exhaust areas for improvement. IE...they are watered down. The LS3 and the LS7 as stand alone N/A motors have so much engineered to allow them to turn up the HP volume. But, with the internals designed they way there are, the LS7 is a straight in spades compared to the LS3.
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OldSchoolCamaro, I think the output increase 2nd Chance was referring to was the production count at Wixom rather than HP. Oh, and Happy New Year everybody!!
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Yes thanks Clyde.
And yes OSC the LS7 is a much better platform for increasing NA power!
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Seems like this thread has been brought up numerous times before
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