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Old 01-08-2012, 08:32 AM   #76
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Agreed, that is if you do it yourself. GM's all about using what's on the shelf. Certification, R&D....expensive bottom lines. They are not going to go through the LS3 again. Pick your best tool off the shelf and run with it. LS7 is the only logical shelf readily available weapon of mass destruction suitable. May I respectfully suggest you go the GMPP and see what a LS3 and LS7 crate motor cost. Then, look at a few other GM direct wholesalers who sell the same product for a margin less. It's not all that big a difference in price considering the big difference between the two in engineering.
LS7 is ~ $7,000.00 premium over LS3.

Then there's the supporting drivetrain, HD gearbox and diff. $3,000.00?

It has to stop as well as it goes, add ZL1 brakes $2,000.00?

Lighter wheels & fat tires $2,000.00? (easily)

Struts/springs/sways/bushings $2,000.00 (conservative)

GFX?

..... put the 427 in the LS and call it a COPO... oh wait...

Except for the LS7 price, the above is just a best guess, but a LS7 Z/28 would be close to ZL1 price.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a GREAT idea, but GM isn't gonna build it to give it away.
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LS7 is ~ $7,000.00 premium over LS3.

Then there's the supporting drivetrain, HD gearbox and diff. $3,000.00?

It has to stop as well as it goes, add ZL1 brakes $2,000.00?

Lighter wheels & fat tires $2,000.00? (easily)

Struts/springs/sways/bushings $2,000.00 (conservative)

GFX?

..... put the 427 in the LS and call it a COPO... oh wait...

Except for the LS7 price, the above is just a best guess, but a LS7 Z/28 would be close to ZL1 price.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a GREAT idea, but GM isn't gonna build it to give it away.
I think that some of your pricing is a little high due to it's really only a trade up difference. That being said we're still at about $46 - $47K with your pricing. Plus using items that already exist creates better buying power causing cost reduction.
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I think that some of your pricing is a little high due to it's really only a trade up difference. That being said we're still at about $46 - $47K with your pricing. Plus using items that already exist creates better buying power causing cost reduction.
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I think that some of your pricing is a little high due to it's really only a trade up difference. That being said we're still at about $46 - $47K with your pricing. Plus using items that already exist creates better buying power causing cost reduction.
... and the GM beancounters are saying, "He thinks he can upgrade the drivetrain for three grand!"
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... and the GM beancounters are saying, "He thinks he can upgrade the drivetrain for three grand!"
Here we go, and I don't mean as in the Bud Light commercial...., nowhere to run, nowhere to hide anymore.... Santuary please....!!!! The Genie is out of the bottle...no putting him back now.
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LS7 is ~ $7,000.00 premium over LS3.

Then there's the supporting drivetrain, HD gearbox and diff. $3,000.00?

It has to stop as well as it goes, add ZL1 brakes $2,000.00?

Lighter wheels & fat tires $2,000.00? (easily)

Struts/springs/sways/bushings $2,000.00 (conservative)

GFX?

..... put the 427 in the LS and call it a COPO... oh wait...

Except for the LS7 price, the above is just a best guess, but a LS7 Z/28 would be close to ZL1 price.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a GREAT idea, but GM isn't gonna build it to give it away.
Strangely enough, you chose to comment on my post, when, my comments were nothing more than substantiating what Lowdown and 2ndchance have posted upon and said so many times before here in the Z28 forum for a production plan on the Z28 with the hardware and associated pricing. Read the threads, do some research, there's No Vacancy on my back thank you very much...
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Here we go, and I don't mean as in the Bud Light commercial...., nowhere to run, nowhere to hide anymore.... Santuary please....!!!! The Genie is out of the bottle...no putting him back now.


.... a 6th gen diesel Z/28!
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Strangely enough, you chose to comment on my post, when, my comments were nothing more than substantiating what Lowdown and 2ndchance have posted upon and said so many times before here in the Z28 forum for a production plan on the Z28 with the hardware and associated pricing. Read the threads, do some research, there's No Vacancy on my back thank you very much...
yeah...... huh?
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Here we go, and I don't mean as in the Bud Light commercial...., nowhere to run, nowhere to hide anymore.... Santuary please....!!!! The Genie is out of the bottle...no putting him back now.
Yes there used to be peace hear, now it's full of synical and sarcastic nay sayers.
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... and the GM beancounters are saying, "He thinks he can upgrade the drivetrain for three grand!"
How much upgrading do you think is necessary? (since you are on the inside with GM I guess you'll know)
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Yes there used to be peace hear, now it's full of synical and sarcastic nay sayers.
yes, until the last few chimed in and jumped on certain individuals backs...not I, but I'm not standing for being taken on without some respect by others....not you, but several other people as of late...
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How much upgrading do you think is necessary? (since you are on the inside with GM I guess you'll know)
see below .... and your post is oozing with sarcasm... quit it.
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yes, until the last few chimed in and jumped on certain individuals backs...not I, but I'm not standing for being taken on without some respect by others....not you, but several other people as of late...
you too
Ok gentlemen, here's the deal... If you want to disagree, that's fine, if you want to belittle, there's going to be problems.

Maybe I come across as course, if so, I apologize. Having said that, I've been on this site for a while, I'm not leaving just because my opinion doesn't mesh with yours. My (serious) opinions are usually as valid as any other individuals opinions.

If you think you're going to bully me and run me out, well.....

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Chance, it comes down to sales and more cars will be sold with an A.T. option.

Most people can drive an automactic but all can't a standard.

Remember the ZL1 was going to be a stick only car then G.M. counted all of the sells lost from the non-shifting folks.
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Chance, it comes down to sales and more cars will be sold with an A.T. option.

Most people can drive an automactic but all can't a standard.

Remember the ZL1 was going to be a stick only car then G.M. counted all of the sells lost from the non-shifting folks.
I think you misunderstood me. I'm saying they need both for sales.
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I think you misunderstood me. I'm saying they need both for sales.
I totally understand my Z brother and you must have misunderstood my post.



My comment was directed to the auto only post.
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see below .... and your post is oozing with sarcasm... quit it.

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Ok gentlemen, here's the deal... If you want to disagree, that's fine, if you want to belittle, there's going to be problems.

Maybe I come across as course, if so, I apologize. Having said that, I've been on this site for a while, I'm not leaving just because my opinion doesn't mesh with yours. My (serious) opinions are usually as valid as any other individuals opinions.

If you think you're going to bully me and run me out, well.....

..... ain't gonna happen.
I'm not trying to chase you off, and I know you've been on the forum for quite some time.
I was merely pointing out that even using your numbers it's doable.
Regarding the sarcasm, fight fire with fire! There has been too many " not gonna happen" post recently and it's gotten annoying. If you want to help us understand how to get it "the Z28" done welcome aboard. If you just wanna piss in our Wheaties well...
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My comment was directed to the auto only post.
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I'm not trying to chase you off, and I know you've been on the forum for quite some time.
I was merely pointing out that even using your numbers it's doable.
Regarding the sarcasm, fight fire with fire! There has been too many " not gonna happen" post recently and it's gotten annoying. If you want to help us understand how to get it "the Z28" done welcome aboard. If you just wanna piss in our Wheaties well...
So, you're saying, "If you want to come in here and agree with us, we will love you long time. If your opinion is different, then leave."

This is not a new subject, they were talking about it before I was a member.

Personally, I'd love to see a 5th gen LS7 Z/28, you could find a post of mine from 2008 confirming it. Time and the ZL1 have changed my perspective.

If a 5th gen LS7 car comes out, you can say "I told ya so", if we don't see the Z/28 till the 6th gen, well, just don't eat those Wheaties, someone might have pissed in em'
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So, you're saying, "If you want to come in here and agree with us, we will love you long time. If your opinion is different, then leave."

This is not a new subject, they were talking about it before I was a member.

Personally, I'd love to see a 5th gen LS7 Z/28, you could find a post of mine from 2008 confirming it. Time and the ZL1 have changed my perspective.

If a 5th gen LS7 car comes out, you can say "I told ya so", if we don't see the Z/28 till the 6th gen, well, just don't eat those Wheaties, someone might have pissed in em'
I'd say there's a mess of folks in this Section who, through time and recent announcements, have remained consistent in their desire for a Z28.

As to eating any kind of Wheaties, I stopped that when Bruce married into the Kardashian family...although a car dashin' around my neighborhood would be welcomed if it was a Z28!
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I'd say there's a mess of folks in this Section who, through time and recent announcements, have remained consistent in their desire for a Z28.

As to eating any kind of Wheaties, I stopped that when Bruce married into the Kardashian family...although a car dashin' around my neighborhood would be welcomed if it was a Z28!


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I'd say there's a mess of folks in this Section who, through time and recent announcements, have remained consistent in their desire for a Z28.

As to eating any kind of Wheaties, I stopped that when Bruce married into the Kardashian family...although a car dashin' around my neighborhood would be welcomed if it was a Z28!
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Well, I won't comment on the soap opera going on here! I'll surf the channel tho.

Hey, here is a question I have. First, an acknowledgment. I acknowledge that driving a stick generally takes more skill than driving an automatic. A stick also, puts the driver at one" with the car in many ways. Provides "more fun" when in a "stick" environment (not traffic). Now, F1 drivers use the AUTO's right? I may not be "technically right", but you know what I mean. They use the Paddle shifts on the steering wheel.

That said: Doesn't it actually take MORE SKILL to drive an automatic and produce the same control as the stick? It may be a matter of tuning? Training? Timing? Don't know, but it seems to me that if one gave it enough time and training, they could make the car emulate the same performance as a stick - while gaining the stick advantages in other times like straightaways and such. OK........... say what you will, but I'm not going to hold my ankles.
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I'd say there's a mess of folks in this Section who, through time and recent announcements, have remained consistent in their desire for a Z28.
Well said, sir.

As to this lil cadre' of ZEE Zealots being "exclusive", I don't believe that is the case, frankly. We HAVE meandered around the topic of a ZEE, the potential content such a car SHOULD (in OUR collective opinions) possess (and what it SHOULDN'T be). We've built Business Cases, discussed the pros 'n cons of what readily-available GM parts 'n pieces could be utilized, quickly, to create such a fond iteration. For months 'n months.

1) Does "our" version make sense? Is it "buildable"? Consensus is, engine specs aside, YES.

2) Could "another" version be considered? Of course.

3) Can "we" offer "our" opinion of "your" opinion? Expect it...

4) Have "you" read what has already been discussed here? No? Well, then, take a few moments and educate yourself on what has already transpired...please. Just as you would/should on any other sustained topic on any other Forum, before jumping in with both feet...

It's called ...and we promise to share that, as well, if offered...

"We" don't troll this idea/version around other sub-Sections of this esteemed Site, nor should we have to be subjected to antagonized trolling because we happen to believe STRONGLY in our vision and version of a Gen-5 ZEE.

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