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Old 01-12-2012, 10:14 AM   #101
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IMO it should be a light weight 427 track ready Camaro. Kinda like a mini Z06.
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Old 01-12-2012, 10:37 AM   #102
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Well, I won't comment on the soap opera going on here! I'll surf the channel tho.

Hey, here is a question I have. First, an acknowledgment. I acknowledge that driving a stick generally takes more skill than driving an automatic. A stick also, puts the driver at one" with the car in many ways. Provides "more fun" when in a "stick" environment (not traffic). Now, F1 drivers use the AUTO's right? I may not be "technically right", but you know what I mean. They use the Paddle shifts on the steering wheel.

That said: Doesn't it actually take MORE SKILL to drive an automatic and produce the same control as the stick? It may be a matter of tuning? Training? Timing? Don't know, but it seems to me that if one gave it enough time and training, they could make the car emulate the same performance as a stick - while gaining the stick advantages in other times like straightaways and such. OK........... say what you will, but I'm not going to hold my ankles.
The manual is harder to drive at speed, considerably more hand-foot-eye coordination.

The paddle shift no-clutch manuals, or total manual control auto's are an advantage.

The problem is with an auto that waits to downshift 1/3 way into the corner while braking, or deciding it needs to downshift while coming out of a corner hard.

Both of the above scenarios upset the suspension when you need it the most stable.
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Well said, sir.

As to this lil cadre' of ZEE Zealots being "exclusive", I don't believe that is the case, frankly. We HAVE meandered around the topic of a ZEE, the potential content such a car SHOULD (in OUR collective opinions) possess (and what it SHOULDN'T be). We've built Business Cases, discussed the pros 'n cons of what readily-available GM parts 'n pieces could be utilized, quickly, to create such a fond iteration. For months 'n months.

1) Does "our" version make sense? Is it "buildable"? Consensus is, engine specs aside, YES.

2) Could "another" version be considered? Of course.

3) Can "we" offer "our" opinion of "your" opinion? Expect it...

4) Have "you" read what has already been discussed here? No? Well, then, take a few moments and educate yourself on what has already transpired...please. Just as you would/should on any other sustained topic on any other Forum, before jumping in with both feet...

It's called ...and we promise to share that, as well, if offered...

"We" don't troll this idea/version around other sub-Sections of this esteemed Site, nor should we have to be subjected to antagonized trolling because we happen to believe STRONGLY in our vision and version of a Gen-5 ZEE.

Thanks, one and all. Sincerely...
Good summary Lowdown....not trying to draw any AAA or Sam's here please, or perpetuate any ugly argument by any means, but, you are correct. Having said that, let's all get back to friendly discussion and healthy debate...being mindfull of courtesy and respect towards others above all.
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The manual is harder to drive at speed, considerably more hand-foot-eye coordination.

The paddle shift no-clutch manuals, or total manual control auto's are an advantage.

The problem is with an auto that waits to downshift 1/3 way into the corner while braking, or deciding it needs to downshift while coming out of a corner hard.

Both of the above scenarios upset the suspension when you need it the most stable.
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Fast-forward to 2010, when he bought an MN6 '10 SS...and finished 17th, Overall. Unmodded.

I can confirm the intervening years have seen a substantial raising of the bar in the One Lap of both driving talent and vehicle preparation/ability...

The single most beneficial mod one can make to their car? SEAT TIME. The next most important ingredient? Put someone in the car who can actually DRIVE!
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:11 AM   #105
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Good summary Lowdown....not trying to draw any AAA or Sam's here please, or perpetuate any ugly argument by any means, but, you are correct. Having said that, let's all get back to friendly discussion and healthy debate...being mindfull of courtesy and respect towards others above all.
Like Solomon said, "There's nothing new under the sun"... the Z/28 has been debated since the 5th gen was announced.

Here's a post from 2008... still applies today.
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I agree there are plenty of Z28 or bust or get over it threads out there. The same can be said for weight, and LS3 vs L99, or turbos vs superchargers, or blue vs blue, or auto vs manual...

Stop being so pissy with each other. If you don't like the thread topic, send a PM to a mod or leave the thread alone. Obviously we want you to argue and debate the topics. But, let the Mods determine what threads belong and which don't.

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Old 01-12-2012, 11:40 AM   #106
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Old 01-12-2012, 05:44 PM   #107
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Old 01-12-2012, 07:01 PM   #108
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Good summary Lowdown....not trying to draw any AAA or Sam's here please, or perpetuate any ugly argument by any means, but, you are correct. Having said that, let's all get back to friendly discussion and healthy debate...being mindfull of courtesy and respect towards others above all.
I agree with that whole heartedly OldScoolCamaro! It is very possible to have good discussions and there is no need to interject personalities into the discussion. There is a wealth of good information in these threads, we just need to remember to not let our passion overshadow the discussions.
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:38 PM   #109
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I always hated how with the 4th gens, GM made optioned "Z28s" into SS Camaros... that was ass backwards... and because of that NOW there is a generation of Camaro owners that think the SS is the top model(well, next to ZL1), its not... and GM's blunder with the 4th gen is the cause of that

what do I want to see out of a Z/28? keep a Naturally aspirated 6.2L in it, give it a more aggressive cam, 6-speed manual only(even as a guy with a L99 I say that), put it on a diet a little with some carbon fiber pieces, and give it a tighter suspension... basically make a Boss 302 pit fighter

GM has been conservative with this 6.2L, unleash some more horses!

I mean their conservative nature is great for those of us who mod, but it leaves a lot on the table for factory backing
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:39 PM   #110
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I always hated how with the 4th gens, GM made optioned "Z28s" into SS Camaros... that was ass backwards... and because of that NOW there is a generation of Camaro owners that think the SS is the top model(well, next to ZL1), its not... and GM's blunder with the 4th gen is the cause of that

what do I want to see out of a Z/28? keep a Naturally aspirated 6.2L in it, give it a more aggressive cam, 6-speed manual only(even as a guy with a L99 I say that), put it on a diet a little with some carbon fiber pieces, and give it a tighter suspension... basically make a Boss 302 pit fighter

GM has been conservative with this 6.2L, unleash some more horses!

I mean their conservative nature is great for those of us who mod, but it leaves a lot on the table for factory backing
Technically, you should be blaming SLP for that not GM. They're the ones that converted the 4th gen Z28's to SS.

End result is the same though
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Old 01-14-2012, 08:38 AM   #111
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Gee, to get the "full skinny" on how that happened, you'd need to get John Middlebrook, Jim Perkins, and Ed Hamburger sequestered in a room, together...
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:51 PM   #112
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Should be able to dust anyone at the stop lights, performance suspension for the corners, should be dark black with tinted windows if ya ask me :P
Also should have a sexy babe in the front seat
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:56 PM   #113
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Old 01-20-2012, 09:07 AM   #114
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OP's question. What is a Z28?

A. A long overdue Chevy Camaro mean street machine.
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Old 01-20-2012, 10:00 AM   #115
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Z28 - Race Ready package, high revving n/a... focus on handling, braking, plenty of power but doesn't need a million hp (honestly would like to see a lighter car here...doesn't need all of the fluff)

I also don't think it should be priced out of reach of people who would be choosing an SS. The SS was a street brawler and the Z28 was a pure track car. I know today the SS can handle street and track with no real issue but it would be nice to have a car capable of rolling up to Road America and lapping all day long with great results for a reasonable price.

Might even be an interesting place for GM to toy with a high rev DOHC engine? Or maybe build a 302 DI LSx engine for nostalgic purposes? (Something like the 5.5L (LS5??) would fit the bill....)
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Z28 - Race Ready package, high revving n/a... focus on handling, braking, plenty of power but doesn't need a million hp (honestly would like to see a lighter car here...doesn't need all of the fluff)

I also don't think it should be priced out of reach of people who would be choosing an SS. The SS was a street brawler and the Z28 was a pure track car. I know today the SS can handle street and track with no real issue but it would be nice to have a car capable of rolling up to Road America and lapping all day long with great results for a reasonable price.

Might even be an interesting place for GM to toy with a high rev DOHC engine? Or maybe build a 302 DI LSx engine for nostalgic purposes? (Something like the 5.5L (LS5??) would fit the bill....)
You don't feel the 1LE option comes close to delivering what you would expect from a Z/28?
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You don't feel the 1LE option comes close to delivering what you would expect from a Z/28?

What is close?

I want the LS7, aero, & 6 pots on top of the 1LE. Oh and the Hot Wheels hood and a full Pedders suspension. Yeah that'll do it.
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You don't feel the 1LE option comes close to delivering what you would expect from a Z/28?
I do. The good stuff is there. All it needs is a few mods. And then just one more. And....

But I think the Z28 is sure to come back at some point. If not the LS7 then maybe the direct injection next-gen LS. If it does not make the 5th Gen, then there may be a very long wait.
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I do. The good stuff is there. All it needs is a few mods. And then just one more. And....

But I think the Z28 is sure to come back at some point. If not the LS7 then maybe the direct injection next-gen LS. If it does not make the 5th Gen, then there may be a very long wait.
I am one of those that think an LS7 Z/28 would be an AWESOME 5th Gen finale.
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I am one of those that think an LS7 Z/28 would be an AWESOME 5th Gen finale.
Well ... it wouldn't be the first time they used an LS7 as a send-off for a car

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Well ... it wouldn't be the first time they used an LS7 as a send-off for a car

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Well ... it wouldn't be the first time they used an LS7 as a send-off for a car

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Corvette gets superior engine technology first... So I don't see the problem with the "old" LS7 in a Camaro.
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L-O-N-G overdue...

1LE + LS7 = BOSS LS price...and BOSS-bashin' performance.
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L-O-N-G overdue...

1LE + LS7 = BOSS LS price...and BOSS-bashin' performance.


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