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Old 04-19-2009, 02:54 PM   #26
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Obviously it helps. Personally, I'd rather have a car that muscles through the track and gets a good time than one that gets a good time on grace alone.
I want muscle and "grace"...... Yeah I know kinda an oxymoron.....

I cant wait until we see these 2 cars battling on the track...Im talking tracks with corners..... Its been along time coming and Im freckin excited about it!
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Old 04-20-2009, 12:14 PM   #27
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(Kinda bummed out by this news)
There's no reason to be. They handle differently, because they're different cars. The "advantage" the Mustang has is so small it's negligable.

Chevy chose to seriously make a "sports car"...that means they stressed superior refinement over brutal performance. IMO, it was a smart choice, and sales numbers will reflect that.
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GM tends to go for grip over handling. Grip no doubt is fine, but I still think handling will be the weakest link in the Camaro's dynamics. That's not saying it will be bad, just not as good as acceleration, braking, and grip.
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Old 05-03-2009, 03:58 PM   #29
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the 2010 camaro may have just beaten the 2 others but the 2nd and 3rd production years of the camaro will be even sweeter
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:00 PM   #30
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So there are two reports out that the Camaro is not as good as the 2010 Mustang in terms of handling and drive. What does this mean? How does this car fault on those lines? More importantly, can it be adjusted ( with a after market tuner/ update from Chevy)?

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http://jalopnik.com/5176993/2010-che...ro-first-drive
http://www.latimes.com/classified/au...lumn?track=rss

What is your take on this?

(Kinda bummed out by this news)
Wait til you drive one, I have had a chance to drive 2 different SS/RS. It will suprise you.
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:07 PM   #31
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You speak of the handling, but out of all those cars, which one's had more power than the camaro?
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Old 05-04-2009, 08:28 PM   #32
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Just shows that a nicely setup SRA can still handle around a track even though it's old like how pushrods are... it still works... so no problem there. if it works it works right?
until you hit a bump with SRA, theres no fix for that. every road has a bump somewhere.
the push rods weakest point has a solution...rev limiter.
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Old 05-05-2009, 04:24 AM   #33
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Most people who are splitting hairs on this forum about magazine results probably aren't skilled enough to drive the car to max potential anyway.

I don' see why it is so hard to give some kudos to the Mustang for hanging in there with a SRA...it isn't like its going to make the Camaro any less of a car or take away from anyones value as a human being because a Mustang GT had some unexpected potential on the track.
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Most people who are splitting hairs on this forum about magazine results probably aren't skilled enough to drive the car to max potential anyway.

I don' see why it is so hard to give some kudos to the Mustang for hanging in there with a SRA...it isn't like its going to make the Camaro any less of a car or take away from anyones value as a human being because a Mustang GT had some unexpected potential on the track.
Who exactly are you trying to disagree with? This thread's full of people acknowledging that the Mustang hangs in there pretty well.
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How many of those reviews had a mustang GT with track pack installed? Give the Camaro an extra $1500 in upgrades and I would suspect the story would be a bit different.
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Old 05-05-2009, 10:02 AM   #36
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they both mention the handling of the Mustang.. keep in mind it Doesnt have the same suspension, less HP and weighs less.. so I would imagine that it would handle differently.....

In the end it doesnt matter.. I still have not seen one in real life and I ordered one...

I prefer to SECOND this guy!!!!
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Who exactly are you trying to disagree with? This thread's full of people acknowledging that the Mustang hangs in there pretty well.
agree.
no one has said that mustangs flop around the track like a station wagon.
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..all though, top gear did beat a V6 mustang, with a horse, but it was a really tight circle.
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How many of those reviews had a mustang GT with track pack installed? Give the Camaro an extra $1500 in upgrades and I would suspect the story would be a bit different.

irs vs sra
isn't irs it's own track pack and an advantage off the bat anyway?
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irs vs sra
isn't irs it's own track pack and an advantage off the bat anyway?
no, the ss has tighter suspension and the IRA,
but the track pack tuned for track, and loses alot of road comfort.
the camaro ss is tuned for performance, but still delivers a smooth ride for everyday driving.
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no, the ss has tighter suspension and the IRA,
but the track pack tuned for track, and loses alot of road comfort.
the camaro ss is tuned for performance, but still delivers a smooth ride for everyday driving.
so your saying the camaro's IRS has no advantage on the track over the mustangs SRA?
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Who exactly are you trying to disagree with? This thread's full of people acknowledging that the Mustang hangs in there pretty well.

No one person in particular I guess, but ever since the 2010 Mustang reviews have been posted with the track pack, there have been a few gripes with how the Mustang fared in the handling department. Especially considering that the Mustang did as well or better (in some reviews) than the Camaro SS. some of the common reasons being:

1) unfair because there is no track pack for the Camaro
2) This was not the "standard" Mustang GT
3) Accusations that this or that magazine was given money to post a particular opinion or finding
4) Camaro competition mode wasn't used
5) Cold temperatures

Maybe a lot of this is based on earlier discussions about the Mustang GT w/track pack performance on other threads....but all the above reasons were pulled from this thread, and while potentially valid they are still splitting hairs a little IMHO.
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so your saying the camaro's IRS has no advantage on the track over the mustangs SRA?
No, not really on a track. The differences will show up during aggressive driving on irregular (mountain/city) roads. But you really shouldn't be drving THAT aggressively on public roads anyways.
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No, not really on a track. The differences will show up during aggressive driving on irregular (mountain/city) roads. But you really shouldn't be drving THAT aggressively on public roads anyways.
yes i know this, the guy i was responding to was a bit contradicting though in one breath he is saying its not fair the camaro doesnt have a track pack, in the next he is saying that IRS is more advanced than SRA. so i am a bit lost its as if he is saying sra and irs and equal but then saying irs is better.. but then saying the camaro should have a track pack to? as if it was an unfair advantage to the gt's sra?? gahh so confused!

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but the track pack tuned for track, and loses alot of road comfort.
the camaro ss is tuned for performance, but still delivers a smooth ride for everyday driving.
In no comparison has the Mustang GT been accused of being uncomfortable. As for the Track Pack being tuned for 'the track', not really. According to the lead developer of the Track Pack setup, who briefly posted on the net about the package and it's development under the user name 'Groot', the Track Pack is intended to provide the best possible handling in a truly streetable package. So think more street and track than purely track.

As for the Track Pack somehow being an unfair advantage? The old adage still applies, run what you brung. If the Track Pack equipped GT was being singled out in comparisons against the Camaro SS as being notably less livable then I could understand that criticism, but it isn't. And as the price tag of a Track pack equipped GT is very competitive with a base Camaro SS pricing doesn't make this an issue either.
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Ford has done some pretty good tuning of that car. I have seen this month's Motor Trend. keep in mind it has the special track package, and the total of the car came to 34,000$. It's still slower, and gets no better gas mileage. From what i have read Chevrolet has tuned the Camaro for great ride and handling. If this was 20 years ago they probably would have made the mistake of going for all out track numbers. Remember how harsh the Camaro and Corvette rode in the 80's? The 5th gen pulls .90g on the skidpad, and rides great? Good enough for me.
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yes i know this, the guy i was responding to was a bit contradicting though in one breath he is saying its not fair the camaro doesnt have a track pack, in the next he is saying that IRS is more advanced than SRA. so i am a bit lost its as if he is saying sra and irs and equal but then saying irs is better.. but then saying the camaro should have a track pack to? as if it was an unfair advantage to the gt's sra?? gahh so confused!
i never said it was an unfair advantage for the gts to have a SRA, i never said anything was unfair. i dont see how it could be, we cant penalize ford for giving a track pack. when i said no to your post about irs vs sra, i was saying that irs is not enough to be a "track pack" on its own. but it does advantages off the track, i suppose i was unclear on that. i never said IRS was more advanced than SRA (imo it is) and i also never said it was not fair for the camaro not to have the track pack (it would be a nice edition though)

and as for the whole IRS only helps on everyday roads where you should be driving in such a way to need it...
i disagree. there is a road where i live that is highly traveled. and is the bumpiest road in town...i can go the speed limit (55) in a straight line, and watch the cars in front of mine go crazy, their back end jumps side ways. my fourth gen does it a little, but not as much as some of the other cars. and going around the S turn, my car doesnt, but my truck jumps scary bad. and like i said...its a high traveled road.

and cammy will not be going down this road.
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