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Old 04-19-2009, 03:11 AM   #1
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About to Purchase this 1967 RS. Comments?

I am considering purchasing this 1967 Rally Sport with supposedly the original Powerglide trans and 327 engine. The owners description is as follow's:

"This is a 1967 Camaro RS Coupe with ALL MATCHING #S motor, and trans. This is a real RS and not a clone or a tribute. The body is straight and solid and orignal no rust floors. The car has power steering-powerglide trans, and vintage air that comes through the orignal vents. The interior is excellant and it runs, drives and shifts like it should. The paint is shiney and slick, has a couple of small chips from driving but nothing that takes away from the car."

When I asked the owner about the transmission and engine he did not know how many miles they had on them. Or any rebiuld details. We called the previous owner who was a friend of his and he said he had the car restored by his mechanic a "few years" ago. However, he did not know much about the details of the restoration, he was not sure what was done to the engine and tranny. I was told that new brake lines, fron disc brakes had been installed. Other than that all I have to go on is what I saw. Looks like the front end was also rebiult and front and back shocks look new.

The car drives great, looks great, sounds great. The owner is asking 24,000 and will not go any lower.

I am concerned that the owner does not know any details about the car. I am concerned that what I see is a nice paint job with the undercarriage painted to cover up any rust that may be there. The engine and underside look old and oily.

Please take a look at these pics and let me know if anyone has feedback.




















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Old 04-19-2009, 03:56 AM   #2
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Old 04-19-2009, 04:06 AM   #3
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Looks to me like it has a rear main or transmission main seal leak! For $24k, I would expect a lot more........ forget it and use the $24K and buy a 2010!
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67 Camaro

If you can take that car to a body man, shop have them look at the Camaro for you a lot of people try and cover up a lot of rust, just like you said by painting.

It's good you noticed all of that, No doc are any clue on the original motor or trans ??? Check and see if you can find a trim tag. If you can look the numbers up on the internet you will find more info. Firewall, driverside trim tag. Looks like a great driver but there are some real great deals out there, if your going to pay the money, just do the reseach if that is what you want.

I agree with 2SSJim will end up costing a lot of $$$. it's up too you but a lot of other Camaros out there and yes you have the 2010 out there too

Hope this helps, btw welcome to the site. If there is any other questions let me know or PM me.
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Old 04-19-2009, 07:45 AM   #5
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Old 04-19-2009, 07:50 AM   #6
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Save your money and get a 2010.. You'll get a much nicer ride that will be under warranty..
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Old 04-19-2009, 08:32 AM   #7
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It has some kind of leak some where. It does not cost much to fix if you do your own work. Easy fix if you have the tools.

The aluminum coil spring spacers inside the front springs would make me concerned. That is a bubba solution to sagging springs. Probably worn out.

The car looks pretty clean but it needs a thorough going over by someone who knows what you are looking at. The cost is not out of line if there are no major issues. Look HARD for any rust that has been covered over. That will be a deal breaker if you find a lot of it.

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Old 04-19-2009, 08:46 AM   #8
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Most all of these cars have had the quarter panels replaced at some point, that is not a bad thing, you just need to be sure it was done correctly. That car would have orginally had a flat hood. It is a good looking car, if the paint is as slick as it appears I suspect the car will bring the money.
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Old 04-19-2009, 01:22 PM   #9
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It has some kind of leak some where. It does not cost much to fix if you do your own work. Easy fix if you have the tools.

The aluminum coil spring spacers inside the front springs would make me concerned. That is a bubba solution to sagging springs. Probably worn out.

The car looks pretty clean but it needs a thorough going over by someone who knows what you are looking at. The cost is not out of line if there are no major issues. Look HARD for any rust that has been covered over. That will be a deal breaker if you find a lot of it.

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Thanks for info. I am starting to get a little skeptical about this purchase because of the oil leak. Could be a "major" issue or a sign that this car is going to be a maintinence problem. I also agree with you guys in that why would the undercarriage be painted. If it was in good condition then why cover it in undercoat?
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Old 04-19-2009, 01:41 PM   #10
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Maintenance problem? That car is over 40 year old!

They ALL are going to require a good amount of maintenance when they get that old. As I said before, if you can do the work yourself you are fine. If not, you will have to find a good repair shop to keep up with it all. That oil leak might be nothing more than a missing bolt in the front of the block. It might be the front seal or even a valve cover gasket. Hard to say from here.
You probably should go for a newer car that won't need as much regular upkeep.

Another buyer will probably snatch it up pretty quickly if it is what it looks to be.

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As stated, that car is 43 yrs old and you will feel it when you drive it. Go with the 2010. That 24,000 would put a dent in the cost of a new one with a warranty. If you were twenty five would you marry someone sixty-five?
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Old 04-19-2009, 04:05 PM   #12
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Maintenance problem? That car is over 40 year old!

They ALL are going to require a good amount of maintenance when they get that old. As I said before, if you can do the work yourself you are fine. If not, you will have to find a good repair shop to keep up with it all. That oil leak might be nothing more than a missing bolt in the front of the block. It might be the front seal or even a valve cover gasket. Hard to say from here.
You probably should go for a newer car that won't need as much regular upkeep.

Another buyer will probably snatch it up pretty quickly if it is what it looks to be.

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In my opinion the new camaro does not even come close to how cool the 60's models were. Just my opinion. When you say "newer" car do you mean a newer engine and trans on an original 60's Camaro?
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Old 04-19-2009, 04:16 PM   #13
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Go for it!

Looks nice not a bad price for an original the one in the pic went for 25k it is a clone originaly a 6 cyl pg now a 383, m21, 373 12 bolt costs alot to clone one
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Old 04-19-2009, 04:33 PM   #14
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just go for it. i think it looks great, and any rust would be small, and out of sight, and an easy-ish fix. and the new camaros are AWESOME, but u cant beat a freakin' original. id take a '67 over a 2010 any day. and tht paint is amazing.
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Right off the bat I see kick panels that have been cut up to put speakers in and I see reproduction door panels. Check the top of the wheel wells, underneath the trunk mat and look for damage repair or rust. Also, check to see if the rear window has rusted out or leaks.
Compare the numbers on the tag on the firewall with info found at: http://www.camaros.org/index.shtml
Do some decoding. On a '67, the cowl tag should tell you the options and will confirm if it is an RS. See if the owner's manual is with the car with a metal tag in it. That's called the Protect-o-Plate and should also tell you everything about the car.

Also, do you have a pic of the back of the car? Does it have RS tail lights with the reverse lights in the lower valance?
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Looks nice not a bad price for an original the one in the pic went for 25k it is a clone originaly a 6 cyl pg now a 383, m21, 373 12 bolt costs alot to clone one

Though it might be a nicely modified coupe, it isn't an accurate clone of a '68 SS, as it has a cowl hood and not an SS hood (with louvers on a small block and stacks on a big block), and it's missing the rocker panel trim that an SS would have had. Also, where's the wheel well chrome?
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Old 04-19-2009, 05:53 PM   #17
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Though it might be a nicely modified coupe, it isn't an accurate clone of a '68 SS, as it has a cowl hood and not an SS hood (with louvers on a small block and stacks on a big block), and it's missing the rocker panel trim that an SS would have had. Also, where's the wheel well chrome?
In all due respect , it wasn't made to be an exact copy. it was what I wanted it to be
I had a 67 SS/RS that had a spoiler,that wasn't available until 68,
a 69 cowl induction hood with a 69 LT1 engine under it because that is what I wanted
With all the money it cost do build, a couple hundred dollars is all it would cost to make it an exact repoduction.
By the way you missed the absence of the fender insignias
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Right off the bat I see kick panels that have been cut up to put speakers in and I see reproduction door panels. Check the top of the wheel wells, underneath the trunk mat and look for damage repair or rust. Also, check to see if the rear window has rusted out or leaks.
Compare the numbers on the tag on the firewall with info found at: http://www.camaros.org/index.shtml
Do some decoding. On a '67, the cowl tag should tell you the options and will confirm if it is an RS. See if the owner's manual is with the car with a metal tag in it. That's called the Protect-o-Plate and should also tell you everything about the car.

Also, do you have a pic of the back of the car? Does it have RS tail lights with the reverse lights in the lower valance?
Here is the rear end image you request:



I think I am going to bail out on this purchase because of the oil leak and heavy black undercoating all along the undercarriage. He also says new break lines were installed but I looked and they appear to be just painted silver to "look" new. I do not trust this guy because he basically has no information on anything about the vehicle other than what you can visually see.

Brake line below, told me it was new but looked painted silver

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Haha! Too lazy to change out the springs?

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In all due respect , it wasn't made to be an exact copy. it was what I wanted it to be
I had a 67 SS/RS that had a spoiler,that wasn't available until 68,
a 69 cowl induction hood with a 69 LT1 engine under it because that is what I wanted
With all the money it cost do build, a couple hundred dollars is all it would cost to make it an exact repoduction.
By the way you missed the absence of the fender insignias
Sorry, I wasn't trying to dog on you at all. I did mention that it's a nicely modified car, and I think it looks great. I just wouldn't call it a "clone".

You are correct about how easy it is to clone a car. Emblems are relatively cheap compared to what people get out of a car by faking it as something else. We had a really nice, numbers matching, 327 '69 RS in Fathom Green that we could hardly get $14k for about 5 years ago. Had we put Z28 emblems on it, we could have doubled our money, but we also wouldn't have been able to sleep at night. Some people don't have ethics when it comes to faking a car. I prefer full disclosure. The RS the OP was looking at might be the real deal, but it's probably smart to decide to pass on it due to lack of information or documentation. I'd hate to see a fellow enthusiast get fooled. There will be plenty more down the road.
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p.s.....I like your lack of emblems...it cleans up the look of the car. My husband's LS1 '68 is the same way. He likes to leave the emblems off, too!
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Old 04-21-2009, 02:18 AM   #21
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I think you should get a magnet and run it along the body to make sure there is no bondo on the car. Also, you should get one of those books, and run the vin number to make sure that it is a real RS car... You can run the numbers on the engine block too to make sure it is original.

Also, I am not sure if the back end leaf springs are consistent with an RS... once I was looking at a 67 RS and it had a modified rear end suspension, but it had multi-leaf springs.... a 327 V8 engine is a lot of engine for single leaf springs in the back.

Finally, it is a little pricey. Cars like this are not selling with this recession. I would think that the car would be worth that in good times, but right now it is not worth that kind of money.
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It looks like a nice car but the price is at the top end for a car like that. The car has been changed and if your looking for all original it would take more money to get it there plus fixing issues it has like the leaks and springs and seeing what they have covered up with all the painting that has been done. I would keep looking, there are alot of cars out there in that condition for around 15,000 to 20,000 and you could do alot of extras to the car and still be ahead.
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To far removed from pure stock for that price. I don't think the restorer paid that much attention to detail. Way to much rust under the car.
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Old 04-26-2009, 08:28 AM   #24
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The new Camaro is great and I have one on order. Put any 1st Gen beside any 5th Gen and see which one gets the most attention. After the novelty of the new Camaro wears off the 1st Gen wil get the attention
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Old 04-26-2009, 08:35 AM   #25
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Check out the body mounts. Mine sat crooked as well. I had to change the mounts to get it to sit correctly. If it has spring spacers what else is there that you do not see. I am not trying to rain on your parade but I got it stuck to me real good when I bought my first one. Since then I have had to completely rebuild the car. I have so much money in it I can't live long enough to get it back.
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