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Old 04-19-2009, 08:46 AM   #1
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Chevy Vs Ford Debate

I noticed something interesting

When Import guys and Muscle guys debate about who has better cars the arguement is always Imports can't make fast N/A cars and Muscle Cars have to have Large engines to go fast.

The funny thing is the debate between the Ford boys and us Chevy Boys is the same thing. Chevy guys say ford cant make fast cars with a N/A motor. And The ford boys say Chevy has to use a larger engine to get that power. Just thought that was a funny observation...any thoughts?
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Old 04-19-2009, 01:16 PM   #2
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I noticed something interesting

When Import guys and Muscle guys debate about who has better cars the arguement is always Imports can't make fast N/A cars and Muscle Cars have to have Large engines to go fast.

The funny thing is the debate between the Ford boys and us Chevy Boys is the same thing. Chevy guys say ford cant make fast cars with a N/A motor. And The ford boys say Chevy has to use a larger engine to get that power. Just thought that was a funny observation...any thoughts?
It's a stupid argument to say ford can't make a good NA engine. And it's stupid to say Chevy needs more displacement. Both companies are very capable. They choose different ways for different reasons. Look at the Australian line of 5.4's, the engines put out over 420 HP, just like the LS3's. And Chevy did supercharge their Corvette to run with the Viper, which had a huge advantage because of their displacement.
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Old 04-19-2009, 01:59 PM   #3
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Yeah, it's a dumb argument. HP is HP. My only gripe with FI is decreased longevity on the internals. I'd take a 500 NA engine over its' FI 500 HP counterpart anyday.
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Old 04-19-2009, 02:06 PM   #4
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I've owned Chevys and Fords, and I like both. To limit yourself to one brand is simply to limit yourself.
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Old 04-19-2009, 02:06 PM   #5
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Yeah, it's a dumb argument. HP is HP. My only gripe with FI is decreased longevity on the internals. I'd take a 500 NA engine over its' FI 500 HP counterpart anyday.
The only engines I've seen with decreased longevity from FI is from engines not designed for FI from the factory. There are 450rwhp+ 03/04 Cobras crossing the 150,000 mile range now and even a couple past 200,000. Longevity isn't the issue, it's decent tuning.
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Old 04-19-2009, 02:22 PM   #6
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people choose not to be on the same page and keep arguing, people will say FI is "cheating" and people will say "just a hug engine" is cheating, it's not cheating its manufacturing a performance car, get over it...

who cares how they get the horsepower... people will say solid rear axles are old and archaic, and you can also say a pushrod engine is old and archaic,

for ever point there is one against it, it will never end. hopefully some people open their eyes and realize we are driving fords and chevys not ferrari's and lamborghini's...
(even though the fanboys and die hard kool-aid drinkers will damn near say the quality of their chosen car tops ferrari/lamborghini lol)
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Old 04-19-2009, 02:24 PM   #7
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Old rivalry

I think some of these rivalries go back a generation or two or three
As someone said, both companies have made great products. That said, those ford guys are crazy if they think ford can take The General, even in his weakened condition
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Old 04-19-2009, 02:34 PM   #8
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I just don't see why Chevy, Ford, and Dodge don't get together and take out all the rice burners with fart cans.


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Old 04-19-2009, 03:32 PM   #9
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Stupid argument.





Now if they are talking about a high revving engine....
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Old 04-19-2009, 06:10 PM   #10
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well chevy uses 3.6 liters to get 304, ford uses 4.6 to get 315.
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Old 04-19-2009, 06:32 PM   #11
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The only engines I've seen with decreased longevity from FI is from engines not designed for FI from the factory. There are 450rwhp+ 03/04 Cobras crossing the 150,000 mile range now and even a couple past 200,000. Longevity isn't the issue, it's decent tuning.
Generally true, *cough* Mazda RX7 *cough*

I've seen examples of factory produced FI engines that just simply have more reliability issues. You're introducing more stress on the engine and you've got to have the design prowess and therefore the backbone designed for the application. It's just yet another potential Fix Or Repair Daily
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well chevy uses 3.6 liters to get 304, ford uses 4.6 to get 315.
Whats the point?
GM also has the DOHC NorthStar (4.6) that only makes 292 hp.
And Ford has a 275 hp V6 as well without DI, which if/when it recieves it I'm sure will make over 300 hp as well. And their V6 ecotec makes over 350 hp.


In the end they can all make engines basically of equal caliber. This debate is stupid.
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Old 04-20-2009, 07:31 AM   #13
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oh im not saying the debate isnt stupid because i know it is.
im just saying i see all the chevy/ford fanboys and the muscle/import fanboys saying the same shit
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Old 04-20-2009, 08:12 AM   #14
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I've owned Chevys and Fords, and I like both. To limit yourself to one brand is simply to limit yourself.
very well said!
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Old 04-20-2009, 12:19 PM   #15
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I've owned Chevys and Fords, and I like both. To limit yourself to one brand is simply to limit yourself.
Unless the brand you limit yourself to has no limits!


The Chevy vs. Ford thing is timeless...it's been a topic forever, and it will continue to be. Frankly -- I think it should be Chevy + Ford vs. the
Imports. They are...the unbeatable team. What one doesn't have, the other does -- and their quality, etc is impeccable. :flag2:
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Old 04-20-2009, 05:17 PM   #16
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Most comfortable car I have ever been in was a 72 Thunderbird with a 460.

OMG driving it on a trip was like floating on air.

What get's me is the stuff about Ford "beating" to the LOT with cars or the constant GT500 comparisons. When GT500's market competition is the Corvette.

So that's why. When a flea bites the dog the dog tries to chew the flea off.
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Unless the brand you limit yourself to has no limits!


The Chevy vs. Ford thing is timeless...it's been a topic forever, and it will continue to be. Frankly -- I think it should be Chevy + Ford vs. the
Imports. They are...the unbeatable team. What one doesn't have, the other does -- and their quality, etc is impeccable. :flag2:



Talk about rivalry.... My Grandfather retired from Ford and my Father retired from GM....... fuuuuuuuun family reunions let me tell ya
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Whats the point?
GM also has the DOHC NorthStar (4.6) that only makes 292 hp.
And Ford has a 275 hp V6 as well without DI, which if/when it recieves it I'm sure will make over 300 hp as well. And their V6 ecotec makes over 350 hp.


In the end they can all make engines basically of equal caliber. This debate is stupid.
i agreeee.
i was saying that because of the first argument of how chevy requires more displacement. i was just defending chevy, not attacking ford.

and since the internal combustion engine is basically the same as it has for for decades, i think if this is just based on engine output, it will be a tie.

in todays auto industry, its about getting the performance numbers up, with a fair price. imo.
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How come nobody says anything about pushrod engines being "archaic" but as soon as the solid rear axle is brought up it's instantly "archaic"...? hi pot calling the kettle the pot
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So is it the kettle or the pot you like to stir stuff up in......
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So is it the kettle or the pot you like to stir stuff up in......
have you checked the title of the thread and what forum it's in before you made your post sir?
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Old 04-20-2009, 07:43 PM   #22
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idk maybe this thread got taken the wrong way but it wasnt to cause arguments are saying i agree with it...it was more to point out how stupid it is...like Vash said the only thing that irritates me with the ford boys is how they try to compare the Mustang GT 500 to thhe Camaro SS
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I just don't see why Chevy, Ford, and Dodge don't get together and take out all the rice burners with fart cans.


Don't fight your cousin--fight the crazy person lving down the street that revs for little kids playing in their yard


Team up. Get rid of the imports.

Then we can go back to hating each other.
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Unless the brand you limit yourself to has no limits!


The Chevy vs. Ford thing is timeless...it's been a topic forever, and it will continue to be. Frankly -- I think it should be Chevy + Ford vs. the
Imports. They are...the unbeatable team. What one doesn't have, the other does -- and their quality, etc is impeccable. :flag2:
you mean chevy + ford +dodge
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you mean chevy + ford +dodge
Huh?
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