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Old 04-22-2009, 02:38 PM   #239
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This might get deleted to...I don't know???
I got enough sense to tell you that between the heat,cold,brake dust,and dirt these over time will come off and damage either the car,wheels or the brake system.This fix is like trying to wrap tape around a leaking pipe or using a piece of copper pipe in place of a fuse.The bottom line is it will not work.These weights fly off of wheels all the time and never get as hot as they will get on a brake system.These weights are not designed to be used for this and will not work.DELETE........
And how do you know that

A) they are wheel weights and not some other type of weight specifically desigend for this (see 2nd picture where its clearly shown they are differently shaped)

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B) that they didnt see the obvious (regular glue wont hold) and attached said weights with some sort of high temp compound that WONT let them fly off.

Since when did this whole place get a mechanical engineering degree? If it was unsafe or would fall apart they wouldn't have released it, they KNOW they are under the microscope.
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Old 04-22-2009, 02:53 PM   #240
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I know how GM can end all worries about this issue. Just come on here and tell us that the glue used to hold these lead weights to the wheel are is the same glue that holds the heat tiles on the space shuttle together.. Even if its not true, there is no way we could test this theory out unless we strap the Camaro to a rocket and send it to space..
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Old 04-22-2009, 02:59 PM   #241
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I know how GM can end all worries about this issue. Just come on here and tell us that the glue used to hold these lead weights to the wheel are is the same glue that holds the heat tiles on the space shuttle together.. Even if its not true, there is no way we could test this theory out unless we strap the Camaro to a rocket and send it to space..
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:02 PM   #242
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Looking at how many small weights are being glued on, a larger solid piece of lead is probably too heavy to simply glue on so this would not work.. Welding one solid piece on is an alternative but would take longer to implement at the factory.
Weld lead? I think not.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:04 PM   #243
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:07 PM   #245
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And how do you know that

A) they are wheel weights and not some other type of weight specifically desigend for this (see 2nd picture where its clearly shown they are differently shaped)

and

B) that they didnt see the obvious (regular glue wont hold) and attached said weights with some sort of high temp compound that WONT let them fly off.

Since when did this whole place get a mechanical engineering degree? If it was unsafe or would fall apart they wouldn't have released it, they KNOW they are under the microscope.

What other production cars employ such methods? I'm not a car expert, but I have never seen this on any other car in my entire life.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:13 PM   #246
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What other production cars employ such methods? I'm not a car expert, but I have never seen this on any other car in my entire life.
This is a revolutionary car. It uses revolutionary methods.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:18 PM   #247
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hey guys i just got back from my chevy dealer and i wanted to make sure i checked for these weights on it i didnt see them. maybe because its a v6?
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:21 PM   #248
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So much drama for something so small. It's there for a reason and I've never had any part of my Camaros (1988 and 2000) just fall off.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:25 PM   #249
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And how do you know that

A) they are wheel weights and not some other type of weight specifically desigend for this (see 2nd picture where its clearly shown they are differently shaped)

and

B) that they didnt see the obvious (regular glue wont hold) and attached said weights with some sort of high temp compound that WONT let them fly off.

Since when did this whole place get a mechanical engineering degree? If it was unsafe or would fall apart they wouldn't have released it, they KNOW they are under the microscope.
I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I am a civil engineer, does that count?
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:28 PM   #250
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So I got the chance to check out a CTF car a couple of weeks ago. Here is a pic of one of the wheels. Don't see any weights on this caliper but the wheel weights are right there.
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Here is a zoom in of the caliper area. I know the wheel is kinda in the way but I dont believe there are any weights onthis caliper.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:37 PM   #251
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Wow, so many posts about such a small thing.

For the record, my GT500 has similar, if not the same, 4-piston Brembo brakes as the Camaro and I have no "weights" on my calipers. I've also had no vibration or squeal at any point during the 23K miles I've driven the car.

I sure hope the answer is a good one. The last thing GM needs is a bunch of bad press about the Camaro for whatever reason.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:41 PM   #252
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Sorry to keep removing posts, but this is a technical forum, so please keep the discussions technical in nature so members can easily check up on this thread for answers. I understand and share in the frustration of not yet having a definitive answer on this, but let's please keep the color commentary out of here. Thanks.
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Old 04-22-2009, 04:03 PM   #253
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It makes since that the CTF cars would not have them... the weights are likely a fix to noise reported by the CTF drivers.

btw, I had our noise and vibration lab look at the pictures and they agree that it looks like the weights are meant to change the resonant frequency of the calipers.

but they could think of about 20 better ways to do fix the brake noise.
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Old 04-22-2009, 04:11 PM   #254
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The resonance sounds feasible to me.

Has anyone ever turned a rotor on a brake lathe? Common practice is to strap a rubber belt laden with lead weights to the rotor to prevent "chatter" which is actually a rough cut from the resonance.

Personally, I am just as interested in what GM has planned for a corrective action (if not more) than the reason for why they are there.
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Sorry to keep removing posts, but this is a technical forum, so please keep the discussions technical in nature so members can easily check up on this thread for answers. I understand and share in the frustration of not yet having a definitive answer on this, but let's please keep the color commentary out of here. Thanks.


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Has anyone considered the possibility that this is just a mistake and they can be removed with no problem? I would just take them off and see what happens. Really, what's the worst that could happen? They can be put back on.
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