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Old 04-24-2009, 06:59 AM   #365
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They must replace them. Remember that's the banks car not yours unless you paid cash. I would only have to make one call to my Credit Union and it would get replaced.

Here is the letter that should of came with the car.

Dr Customer. Your car has been fitted with a temporary set of counter balance weights on your front brake calipers. As soon as replacement calipers are available, you will be contacted and the dealer will swap out with the corrected part.

... That's what it should be. And it should be told to the customer before the keys are handed to them.

You can in fact get a refund for the whole car if they refuse to fix them. The bank can get there money back.
I don't mean to sound condescending but good luck getting that refund. The bank and GM would tell you to go pound sand. There is nothing functionally unsafe about them.

My cousin had an issue with his brand new Toyota 4 Runner where Exhaust was coming into the cabin when the rear windows were open (long story) he went through 2 years of fighting and they STILL never took it back, and he gave up.

I want to punch him because he still talks about how he loved it anyway and he would buy Toyota again...
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:08 AM   #366
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What makes everyone so sure they're going to fall off?
When you use the brakes to maximum potential, they get very hot even though isolators are used to limit heat transfer into the caliper body from the pads. These appear to be wheel balance weights that are being "stuck" on using a double sided adhesive tape that often uses a thin foam core. They won't survive the heat long, and I would estimate that a stiff power wash may break them loose.

I have no problem with proper weight dampers on the calipers with good form, fit, and function, but this is without a doubt an after thought. Its not a deal breaker, but very short sighted engineering to fix a nuisance issue without slowing delivery...it looks absolutely laughable to anyone that has a mechanical engineering background.
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:11 AM   #367
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Again, the early production Brembo's do not need to be replaced and most likely will not get replaced. They can just need to exchange the external wheel weight dampener with an internal engineered dampener -- just like all the other manufacturers do.
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:13 AM   #368
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When you use the brakes to maximum potential, they get very hot even though isolators are used to limit heat transfer into the caliper body from the pads. These appear to be wheel balance weights that are being "stuck" on using a double sided adhesive tape that often uses a thin foam core. They won't survive the heat long, and I would estimate that a stiff power wash may break them loose.

I have no problem with proper weight dampers on the calipers with good form, fit, and function, but this is without a doubt an after thought. Its not a deal breaker, but very short sighted engineering to fix a nuisance issue without slowing delivery...it looks absolutely laughable to anyone that has a mechanical engineering background.

Just curious, are you sure they are "taped" on? I would assume that its some kind of metal adhesive. Haven't heard fact on that!
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:15 AM   #369
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When you use the brakes to maximum potential, they get very hot even though isolators are used to limit heat transfer into the caliper body from the pads. These appear to be wheel balance weights that are being "stuck" on using a double sided adhesive tape that often uses a thin foam core. They won't survive the heat long, and I would estimate that a stiff power wash may break them loose.

I have no problem with proper weight dampers on the calipers with good form, fit, and function, but this is without a doubt an after thought. Its not a deal breaker, but very short sighted engineering to fix a nuisance issue without slowing delivery...it looks absolutely laughable to anyone that has a mechanical engineering background.

PURE SPECULATION You're guessing on what the material "appears to be" and how it is applied.....They are Engineers, do you know an engineer that will say "just stick some ordinary wheel wieghts on there" without checking it out? I work with a bunch of them, it's like pulling teeth to get their approval on anything, "they have to run some numbers' and "do a little research first".
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:20 AM   #370
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These appear to be wheel balance weights that are being "stuck" on using a double sided adhesive tape that often uses a thin foam core. They won't survive the heat long, and I would estimate that a stiff power wash may break them loose.
I doubt they would be that negligent -- it could expose them to lawsuits when the weights fly off and hurt or damage someone or something. Even if not, there's no reason to think they are stuck on with foam poster mounting tape. That would be visible in the photos.

Why would you think GM is so incompetent that they would not use high-temperature adhesive to mount them?
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:24 AM   #371
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Ok, so what is the cut off on vins that have them?

Maybe I missed it. So I'll ask again. Does anyone know the vin at which
these are not being used.
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:30 AM   #372
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Maybe I missed it. So I'll ask again. Does anyone know the vin at which
these are not being used.
I think after #4000! Just messing with you. Nobody knows for sure yet!
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:37 AM   #373
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:40 AM   #374
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Again, the early production Brembo's do not need to be replaced and most likely will not get replaced. They can just need to exchange the external wheel weight dampener with an internal engineered dampener -- just like all the other manufacturers do.
You didn't buy Brembs with weights. You purchased Brembs without weights.

This is a customer service 101 issue. The calipers must be replaced. It's about a 2 hour job at the dealer. And of course they must of already ordered fixed calipers for later runs.

Fixing this is PROTECTING the car and it's image. It's not attacking it. It's PROTECTING GM.... not attacking it.

You know how much damage this would do if a pic of these pops up on Drudge later today saying GM shipped them and is not gonna fix?
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I'm going to add them on all sorts of parts in the car when I get it, they look cool and have to add at least 10 rwhp if my calculations are correct (and I am NEVER wrong).

Add a couple to the intake manifold for better flowing air, to the steering wheel for better handling and a few to the gas tank for better mileage since I'll be punching it often.
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Old 04-24-2009, 08:03 AM   #376
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You didn't buy Brembs with weights. You purchased Brembs without weights.

This is a customer service 101 issue. The calipers must be replaced. It's about a 2 hour job at the dealer. And of course they must of already ordered fixed calipers for later runs.

Fixing this is PROTECTING the car and it's image. It's not attacking it. It's PROTECTING GM.... not attacking it.

You know how much damage this would do if a pic of these pops up on Drudge later today saying GM shipped them and is not gonna fix?
I agree with that statement. If there's more public outcry, then I see it from a marketing prospective. All it takes is one freelance reporter and the story to snowball.
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Old 04-24-2009, 08:26 AM   #377
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Show me any other "high performance cars" that have this sort of quality engineering. One Porsche, Ferrari, M series Bimmer, just one.

Why wasn't careful evaluation and validation done one, two or three years ago when the car was testing?
They don't even have to be "high end" cars. I have Brembo's on my GT500 and have no weights and no squeal.
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So does anybody know if they are going to replace the calipers that have these? or are we supposed to live with them like this forever?
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