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Old 04-21-2009, 11:39 AM   #126
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this is all fun but anyone actually trying to find the correct answer?
Not really. The correct answer will be no big deal and boring.

The conspiracy theories in this thread are much more entertaining!
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Old 04-21-2009, 11:49 AM   #127
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I'm sure GM is aware of what they have done, and that people would notice - so it will probably be a free dealer fix after delivery. Don't panic.
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:04 PM   #128
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First: CONGRATS on being the first and THANK YOU for your service to our country. Just how many weights are on yours. I have two layers with about 8 each.
Thanks... mine look exactly like yours do. Two layers... I would guess about 8 "weights" each
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:08 PM   #129
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Someone made the call to put them on there to fix something that was off somewhere. The funny part is they probably said, "ahhhh, they will never even notice it!"
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Old 04-21-2009, 01:19 PM   #130
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Gentlemen As far as the brake weights go I heard from a fellow in the GM plant, the brakes were squeeling and by weighting the calipers the squeel went away Brembo has, since then sent a new batch of calipers to correct this problem Hope this helps
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the brakes where squeeling and gm's band-aid is to weigh the caliper up top... that is the answer... i can already see a recall when the double stick tape starts falling off and everyones brakes are squeeling, they should have addressed this a long time ago...
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Old 04-21-2009, 01:26 PM   #131
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(friend)"Hey, are those Brembos?"

...... "why yes they are. They come standard on the SS."

(friend)......."what the heck is that?"

... Oh, those are slabs of lead attached to the beautiful Brembo Caliper to stop brake squealing."

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Old 04-21-2009, 01:31 PM   #132
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they could have gotten creative and used these for weight instead of wheel leads lol

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Old 04-21-2009, 01:33 PM   #133
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Putting them on there to dampen down resonance and kill "squeals" makes sense in theory at least

Fundamental thing here is that, per previous posts - if GM had alerted dealers/clients that they had decided to ship with workaround and will be following up with permanent fix then most sensible folks would understand that - but this is a very clunky looking fix and has been spotted by customers before any communications have been made.

Funny thing is that braking systems are normally last thing you would think of looking at but the Brembos are actually an identifiable differentiator for a sports car - so seeing a premium feature with this kind of work around just feels wrong going on this kind of car to this kind of customer base.
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Old 04-21-2009, 01:46 PM   #134
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Old 04-21-2009, 01:50 PM   #135
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From Brembo:

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This year it’s the 420-hp, V8-powered Camaro SS that Motor Trend magazine calls “the most anticipated American musclecar in decades” that is equipped with four-piston, two-piece aluminum calipers and 14.0-in. (355mm) and 14.4-in. (365mm) rotors front and rear respectively. The two-piece aluminum front calipers are designed to weigh 32% less than the ones on the V6 and yet provide increased stiffness to reduce fluid displacement and caliper deformation. The overall effect enhances vehicle efficiency and dynamics.
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Adding the weights kinda defeats the purpose of the Brembo design. huh.
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Maybe they shaved off too much weight lol.
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Old 04-21-2009, 01:58 PM   #137
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the brakes where squeeling and gm's band-aid is to weigh the caliper up top... that is the answer... i can already see a recall when the double stick tape starts falling off and everyones brakes are squeeling, they should have addressed this a long time ago...
yeah it will be real bad if one falls off and some odd thing like it getting stuck in the caliper and your break locks up or doesn't work. lets just hope nothing like this can happen
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Old 04-21-2009, 01:59 PM   #138
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Maybe they shaved off too much weight lol.
that seems to be the case.


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a small amount of extra weight is needed to keep the brakes quiet. but from the looks of things, these weighted brakes should be replaced by GM.
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Old 04-21-2009, 02:06 PM   #139
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wahhah i jst read the whole 6 pages that was the funniest thing ever :P heres a funny thig too ..may b it has to do with the HUD or the turns navigator :P lol or jst to tell u its time to swap ur pads :P
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Old 04-21-2009, 02:08 PM   #140
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yeah it will be real bad if one falls off and some odd thing like it getting stuck in the caliper and your break locks up or doesn't work. lets just hope nothing like this can happen
thats probably the worst case scenario lets just hope that doesnt happen.. i really dont understand how they expect double stick tape to survive on a brake caliper though...
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Well, it has less mechanical stress than the adhesive that holds hidden weights on the inside surface of wheels, but more heat stress. There are plenty of heat-resistant adhesives.
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Old 04-21-2009, 02:15 PM   #142
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OK, total W.A.G. here. Maybe they are there to aid in initial wheel installation. So if the wheel doesn't go on straight it'll hit the lead weights and since lead is softer than aluminum it won't scuff the wheel and the wheel won't scuff the finish on the caliper. Maybe the dealers (or a Q.C. team at the factory) are supposed to remove the weights, but the info. never got out?

Generally the adhesive on wheel weights won't survive high temps (generally far lower than the lead itself) so they will remove themselves after significant hard use. Unless they aren't just wheel weights, but something specific.

My other thought was that they were like "zincs" similar to what is used on a powerboat outdrive to draw corrosion away from important parts.
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Old 04-21-2009, 02:22 PM   #143
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Well, it has less mechanical stress than the adhesive that holds hidden weights on the inside surface of wheels, but more heat stress. There are plenty of heat-resistant adhesives.
true but the hottest a tire will get is around 300 or so i believe and thats only for a few seconds when your smokin the tires then the cool off quite quickly, so with the spokes of the wheel spining through the air cooling the wheel theres no way a wheel can get nearly as hot as the brakes. if im wrong please take it easy on me lol
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Old 04-21-2009, 02:23 PM   #144
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OK, total W.A.G. here. Maybe they are there to aid in initial wheel installation. So if the wheel doesn't go on straight it'll hit the lead weights and since lead is softer than aluminum it won't scuff the wheel and the wheel won't scuff the finish on the caliper. Maybe the dealers (or a Q.C. team at the factory) are supposed to remove the weights, but the info. never got out?

Generally the adhesive on wheel weights won't survive high temps (generally far lower than the lead itself) so they will remove themselves after significant hard use. Unless they aren't just wheel weights, but something specific.

My other thought was that they were like "zincs" similar to what is used on a powerboat outdrive to draw corrosion away from important parts.
we have already established it's the brake squeeling issue, but very creative lol
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Old 04-21-2009, 02:23 PM   #145
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The Brembos on my Evo squeal occasionally too... nature of the beast. At least I know how to fix it now.

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still.... alot of speculation.... and no confirmation
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true but the hottest a tire will get is around 300 or so i believe and thats only for a few seconds when your smokin the tires then the cool off quite quickly, so with the spokes of the wheel spining through the air cooling the wheel theres no way a wheel can get nearly as hot as the brakes. if im wrong please take it easy on me lol
Right, that's why I said there are plenty of heat-resistant adhesives; I was suggesting that they'd use that instead of normal wheel weight adhesive tape.
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Right, that's why I said there are plenty of heat-resistant adhesives; I was suggesting that they'd use that instead of normal wheel weight adhesive tape.
o sorry i thought you where saying it was the same adhesive i must have read that wrong the first time, my bad
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Who cares, just take them off.....
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