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Old 04-21-2009, 07:57 PM   #176
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I forwarded the pics to Brembo. Just got an email back from them. They state that..
“It’s likely they’re used for noise defeat.
These will often defeat harmonic distortion a.k.a brake squeal.”
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Old 04-21-2009, 08:06 PM   #177
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Maybe I'm crazy, but taking them off when we don't know what they are for sounds like a horrible idea to me...
What sounds crazy is that GM would use such a "spit & bailing wire" approach to a problem on such a car as the Camaro.

The worst thing that will happen is that your brakes will squeak. If they did, I would be inclined to try some anti squealing paste on the back of the pad or a different pad all together rather than taking what IMO is the easiest and worst fix in adding unsprung weight that effects the suspension and creates an added piece of metal to retain heat in the braking system not to mention the countless posts that correctly surmise that eventually the hear cycles will result in the wieghts separating from the caliper, likely at speed.
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Old 04-21-2009, 08:17 PM   #178
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I just went and saw two 2SS's at my dealer today and they both had them.
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Old 04-21-2009, 08:29 PM   #179
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As long as GM fixes the problem with a new set of calipers or pads....then I will not complain much...But they have to fix it, no question about that.
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Old 04-21-2009, 08:34 PM   #180
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What sounds crazy is that GM would use such a "spit & bailing wire" approach to a problem on such a car as the Camaro.
No doubt...but keep in mind that alternatives would potentially require more testing and evaluation...procedures that they don't have anymore time for, or risk delaying the car....yet again. This may have been the easiest route, meant to be a temp-fix only.

Has there been any 'official' word, yet?
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Old 04-21-2009, 08:40 PM   #181
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No doubt...but keep in mind that alternatives would potentially require more testing and evaluation...procedures that they don't have anymore time for, or risk delaying the car....yet again. This may have been the easiest route, meant to be a temp-fix only.

Has there been any 'official' word, yet?
I thought Scott said that they would rather delay the car a little while longer and bring a better car to market then ship out something that would cause any more "problems". And wouldnt that look pretty bad if they had to recall all SS's for somehting so simple? Ide say test the car a little longer, delay it, do what ever you gotta do to not "cover up" a problem. Sure I really really want the car, but I would be willing to wait.
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Old 04-21-2009, 08:41 PM   #182
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I thought Scott said that they would rather delay the car a little while longer and bring a better car to market then ship out something that would cause any more "problems". And wouldnt that look pretty bad if they had to recall all SS's for somehting so simple? Ide say test the car a little longer, delay it, do what ever you gotta do to not "cover up" a problem. Sure I really really want the car, but I would be willing to wait.
You thought absolutely right. Scott did say that, and he meant it:
The Camaro will be one of the highest-quality vehicles that General Motors has put out in recent history.

Mine was simply a guess. And on top of that, you're making a lot of assumptions, like this being worthy of a recall. For the sake of preventing another wild "sky is falling" thread...please just wait for the official word -- I'm sure it's coming soon.
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Old 04-21-2009, 08:56 PM   #183
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If it is to compensate for a true harmonic imbalance, a new set of pads will not do the trick, that would have been an easy fix. Harmonic frequencies can actually cause calipers to crack. I have seen this on the brakes my company designs and produces (Bendix). It is more likely to compensate for a weight distribution vibration, that will require a new caliper design. This was probably detected by Fbodfather and the rest of the crew on the test units. They will need to chime in.
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Old 04-21-2009, 08:57 PM   #184
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You thought absolutely right. Scott did say that, and he meant it:
The Camaro will be one of the highest-quality vehicles that General Motors has put out in recent history.

Mine was simply a guess. And on top of that, you're making a lot of assumptions, like this being worthy of a recall. For the sake of preventing another wild "sky is falling" thread...please just wait for the official word -- I'm sure it's coming soon.
Should have said that on page 1! LoL I'm not making any assumptions. I could care less if its a recall(thats what they would call it if GM came out with a "temp fix" and offered to bring it in to remedy it), "easy fix", or what ever else ya wanna call it. I will just take them off and fix it myself IF it causes any squeaks or anything IF I can, or bring it in under warrenty. But I agree, lets all wait to post untill an "official" answer is out there.
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Old 04-21-2009, 08:59 PM   #185
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Whatever they do....I don't care anymore .... this car, rather it was released with a "quick fix " or not, is extremely wonderful to have, finally. Enjoy it, the ride, the power, the looks, and at least for now, the envy of others that look on as you pass by. To me it IS everything that they promised and more. I hope we do not lose the passion that this site created for the car and the wonderful crap that we give each other about whatever. If I have to stick some wheel weights on every so often, OK, I won't complain. It beats setting the valves and points and plugs and everything else on the older (but dear to my heart) Camaro. This thing is fun, wheel weights and all. Ok , I'll shut up now.
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:05 PM   #186
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Whatever they do....I don't care anymore .... this car, rather it was released with a "quick fix " or not, is extremely wonderful to have, finally. Enjoy it, the ride, the power, the looks, and at least for now, the envy of others that look on as you pass by. To me it IS everything that they promised and more. I hope we do not lose the passion that this site created for the car and the wonderful crap that we give each other about whatever. If I have to stick some wheel weights on every so often, OK, I won't complain. It beats setting the valves and points and plugs and everything else on the older (but dear to my heart) Camaro. This thing is fun, wheel weights and all. Ok , I'll shut up now.
Well said. Its not like this is a major problem or anything. True it is kinda a "last second fix", but in the end does it really matter? We still are getting our Camaros!
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:08 PM   #187
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Well said. Its not like this is a major problem or anything. True it is kinda a "last second fix", but in the end does it really matter? We still are getting our Camaros!
Let's be honest now, if this "fix" was on the new Mustang or Nissan Z do you think most of you would be so forgiving? I don't think so.
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:10 PM   #188
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You betcha, I'll enjoy this as long as it lasts. Looking forward to a weekend in the 70's no rain and a lot of miles to drive, weights and all. Can't wait to see the painted stripes, painter laid them out today. Oh yea.....
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:11 PM   #189
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Seriously guys... You are going crazy about NOTHING! You only even notice that they are there if you are looking for them. Remember last night when I said I didnt have them? It's because I couldnt see them. I personally don't know what they are for, but I don't really care either. Maybe I will if they become a problem, but until then, I know that the people that put them there know much much more about this car than I do and I trust their knowledge.
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:12 PM   #190
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Trust me, if it was on a new Mustang i'd be fine... Import, maybe not..but if i waited this long for any car that I wanted and it was 99% great, the heck with the 1%.
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:15 PM   #191
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The worst thing that will happen is that your brakes will squeak. If they did, I would be inclined to try some anti squealing paste on the back of the pad or a different pad all together rather than taking what IMO is the easiest and worst fix in adding unsprung weight that effects the suspension and creates an added piece of metal to retain heat in the braking system not to mention the countless posts that correctly surmise that eventually the hear cycles will result in the wieghts separating from the caliper, likely at speed.
IF, and let me stress IF, it is on there for a "squeak", it isn't one that could be solved with anti-seize. The weight would be for a resonating sound, created by a moving part...kinda like a tuning fork. The sound, vibration, whatever, would stem from the actual caliper moving, not the any screw or brake pad.


I really don't care if it is on there for that reason or not.....That would just tell me that GM DID pay attention to a very minuet detail.....thankyou for the attention to detail...NOW GIVE ME MY CAR
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:20 PM   #192
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I asked earlier in the thread to please keep it on topic. So please save the colorful 'sky is falling' commentary and move on to the next thread if you have nothing of substance to add. Thank you.
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:20 PM   #193
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Don't get me wrong guys, your cars are awesome and I would give my left..... uhh... leg..... to have my Camaro like you do (weights and all).

I am just a little upset because we don't have an answer.


BTW SNOOK -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH for pointing this out. Based on your remarks, I have a gut feeling that you have some regrets about making the original post. Please don't feel that way. GM knew that we were going to be the FINALY QA. If they had any doubts, they shouldn't now. You are doing your part wonderfully.

Thanks again. Just take all complaints with a grain of salt. We just want this car to be perfect.
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:21 PM   #194
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If you can come on up to Plymouth and go for a ride. It will put aside all your concerns.Those who now have must share with those you don't its only fair. Well that sound good didn't it. Seriously, once driven this is unlike any other Camaro I have ever had the pleasure of owning.
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:26 PM   #195
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well...I am sure that this is going to be an early build car thing only....I would think that GM is going to have to problem resolved by the middle of the year. This is the FIRST year that this car is being developed. There are gonna be some kinks....If all that GM had to skim by on was the way the brakes sound...I am damn well impressed...seeing how the economy sucks and everything else.

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Old 04-21-2009, 09:26 PM   #196
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Seems many members in the know(at least in my eyes) have not even posted in this thread. Come on!!!!!!!!!! Somebody has got to know something.

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Old 04-21-2009, 09:36 PM   #197
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why dont you ask ohter people who have recieved their cars if they have those?
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:40 PM   #198
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yea I would definatly just remove them I cant even make up a reason why they are on there never even seen them on any race car it must be a mistake.


I ordered mine a month ago any body know when I might see my camaro. I think my car will be 17 thousound vin number?
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Old 04-21-2009, 10:34 PM   #199
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Like I said in my first post, GM should replace these with Brembo's that don't require the weights to keep it from squealing once a viable solution occurs. Technically, wouldn't this be a design flaw straight from Brembo?? I mean the Brembo's have been tested now since we first started seeing pictures of them in the Nurbugring car when they were red. Those lead pieces do add extra wieght to the car that is not necessary as every other manufacturer that uses Brembo's has never needed to do this for an entire line.

As for all of you saying it isn't noticeable, or Who cares...etc.. I personally wouldn't have minded them had we been informed of the problem and the fix before shipment. However the silence is troubling..
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As for all of you saying it isn't noticeable, or Who cares...etc.. I personally wouldn't have minded them had we been informed of the problem and the fix before shipment. However the silence is troubling..
Relax. They don't wait on us hand and foot with info...be patient. I know of a couple folks who might be able to answer this; and they're "out on business", which also presumably means -- outrageously busy.

Patience.....deep breaths....
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