AUTOMATIC with TAP SHIFT...

[stymie]

I ordered my ZL1 with Victory Red paint, exposed weave carbon fibre extractors, 5 spoke polished wheels, stripe kit & Hydra-Matic 6 speed automatic with Tap Shift. I didn't have much use for a power sunroof & I didn't care for the sueded microfibre shift knob/boot/steering wheel. Too bad I couldn't delete the sueded seating surfaces & have finished black leather, instead. I think that I have every curve at Nurburgring committed to memory.

Does anyone have photos of the ZL1's paddle shifters? Pictures seem to be as scarce as 3 legged ballerinas. The owner's manual shows a "nub" that appears to be attached to the steering wheel's horizontal struts on both sides. I assume that it's actually part of the steering wheel rather than two separate paddles behind the wheel? Are these tapped from behind or pressed in with the thumbs? Just kind of curious. Are there any issues going back & forth between "auto" & "manual" modes while in motion? I'm told that the auto is beefier than the manual Tremec & can take a good deal of "abuse".

Does anyone know how much the gas guzzler tax is for the manual vs the automatic?

From what I gather, the automatic has a higher top end (184mph) than the Tremec manual with skip shift & is quicker through the quarter & is faster to 60mph. I noticed a statement somewhere where V8s with automatics don't always run on 8 cylinders for better fuel economy. That feature isn't on the ZL1 is it?

Just curious & slightly off topic, but does anyone know the "approach angle" of the ZL1 with its somewhat low splitter/spoiler? I wish someone would come up with a 1: 16 scale model of this beast to keep me occupied until my Camaro comes in.

OK... back to Nurburgring. Someone ought to build an exact duplicate of that track here in the USA. ...just sayin'!

[MR 45TH]

Originally Posted by stymie

Does anyone know how much the gas guzzler tax is for the manual vs the automatic?

$1,300 for manual and $2,600 for automatic

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by stymie

I ordered my ZL1 with Victory Red paint, exposed weave carbon fibre extractors, 5 spoke polished wheels, stripe kit & Hydra-Matic 6 speed automatic with Tap Shift. I didn't have much use for a power sunroof & I didn't care for the sueded microfibre shift knob/boot/steering wheel. Too bad I couldn't delete the sueded seating surfaces & have finished black leather, instead. I think that I have every curve at Nurburgring committed to memory.

Does anyone have photos of the ZL1's paddle shifters? Pictures seem to be as scarce as 3 legged ballerinas. The owner's manual shows a "nub" that appears to be attached to the steering wheel's horizontal struts on both sides. I assume that it's actually part of the steering wheel rather than two separate paddles behind the wheel? Are these tapped from behind or pressed in with the thumbs? Just kind of curious. Are there any issues going back & forth between "auto" & "manual" modes while in motion? I'm told that the auto is beefier than the manual Tremec & can take a good deal of "abuse".

Does anyone know how much the gas guzzler tax is for the manual vs the automatic?

From what I gather, the automatic has a higher top end (184mph) than the Tremec manual with skip shift & is quicker through the quarter & is faster to 60mph. I noticed a statement somewhere where V8s with automatics don't always run on 8 cylinders for better fuel economy. That feature isn't on the ZL1 is it?

Just curious & slightly off topic, but does anyone know the "approach angle" of the ZL1 with its somewhat low splitter/spoiler? I wish someone would come up with a 1: 16 scale model of this beast to keep me occupied until my Camaro comes in.

OK... back to Nurburgring. Someone ought to build an exact duplicate of that track here in the USA. ...just sayin'!

I want to say they re-designed the paddle-shifter to look more like "paddles"...but I could be very wrong, because I can't find a single picture of them.

As for approach angle...no idea. But they have said the car has a ground clearance similar to that of a Z06 Corvette....

Both transmissions are extremely rugged, and will handle the ZL1's power well. Supposedly, they've drastically improved the automatic's response time so there's minimal delay when paddle shifting.

[SlingShot]

I don't know for sure, but I'm thinking they are the same as the 2012 paddles.

[Mr. Wyndham]

YES!!!

THOSE ARE THE PICTURES I COULDN'T FIND!!!

Thankyouthankyouthankyou!!!

[adamgl]

Originally Posted by stymie

Are there any issues going back & forth between "auto" & "manual" modes while in motion?

I noticed a statement somewhere where V8s with automatics don't always run on 8 cylinders for better fuel economy. That feature isn't on the ZL1 is it?

OK... back to Nurburgring. Someone ought to build an exact duplicate of that track here in the USA. ...just sayin'!

Welcome to camaro5.

No issues going between auto and tap shift in motion. Put shifter into S mode then hit the tap shift to go into manual. Put shifter back into D to go back to auto. At least on my SS, should be the same.

Only the L99 in the auto SS has that feature. I'm glad the ZL1 doesn't, I tuned it out in my SS.

How bout KC area for the new Nurburgring, lol. You're not too far away from me. I think Heartland Park, KS is the closest good road track to you. I plan on going there when I get my ZL1.

[htron50]

You guys are great on this site! Very informative. I recall Scott Settlemire saying something about the automatic and how it would make you stick lovers think twice about maybe getting the auto.

From the sounds of it, and reading between the lines, it sounds as if the auto will be tuned to maximize performance, somehow making the shifts between gears instant as possible therefore giving the driver maximum control. It's going to be very fun in my opinion!

Can't we all agree to call the A6 -

The Greatest Shifter of all Time...

the

"MXO AutoMagic TapShift"

.

[EODSS]

I was looking at the picture of the steering wheel and noticed it has an SS on it. My 2012 2SS/RS TF3 wheel doesn't. Does anyone know why it would be different. Thank and sorry to jack the thread.

[Blue Menace]

So are the paddles connected to the stearing wheel or to the dash?

[mickey123456]

Ok, yes these are the paddles that will be on the ZL1 for sure. I found a link that said "Steering mounted paddles" it is in one of my older threads because I had a couple hour disagreement with my68rs about the paddles on the ZL1. They will 100% be there and mounted on the steering wheel. The picture shown is of the new 2012 automatic L99. They all come with the paddles now. There is no option to get the buttons again. They are all paddles go to your local dealer and check it out.

[its a syn]

Originally Posted by adamgl

Welcome to camaro5.

No issues going between auto and tap shift in motion. Put shifter into S mode then hit the tap shift to go into manual. Put shifter back into D to go back to auto. At least on my SS, should be the same.

Only the L99 in the auto SS has that feature. I'm glad the ZL1 doesn't, I tuned it out in my SS.

How bout KC area for the new Nurburgring, lol. You're not too far away from me. I think Heartland Park, KS is the closest good road track to you. I plan on going there when I get my ZL1.

you can just hold the upshift paddle in for a couple of secs and it with go back to sport automatic mode

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by htron50

You guys are great on this site! Very informative. I recall Scott Settlemire saying something about the automatic and how it would make you stick lovers think twice about maybe getting the auto.

From the sounds of it, and reading between the lines, it sounds as if the auto will be tuned to maximize performance, somehow making the shifts between gears instant as possible therefore giving the driver maximum control. It's going to be very fun in my opinion!

Can't we all agree to call the A6 -

The Greatest Shifter of all Time...

the

"MXO AutoMagic TapShift"

.

It should be tuned much better than the current A6 in the L99. The current A6 when used in Sport mode, is adaptive. What that means is the TCM looks at the current driving style you are using and adjust itself accordingly. For example if you were running an auto cross and hammering on the throttle, the trans in Sport mode will adjust it self by holding the gears longer and shifting harder when it does.

[OLD_GOAT]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Supposedly, they've drastically improved the automatic's response time so there's minimal delay when paddle shifting.

I hope they did some work on the paddle shifters. I had paddles in my 2009 Vette and there was a bit of a lag time between paddling and the car actually shifting. With that car, it was best to allow the computer to shift the car, versus paddling. Note that this was a bone stock car, with the normal factory tune.

[htron50]

Originally Posted by OLD_GOAT

I hope they did some work on the paddle shifters. I had paddles in my 2009 Vette and there was a bit of a lag time between paddling and the car actually shifting. With that car, it was best to allow the computer to shift the car, versus paddling. Note that this was a bone stock car, with the normal factory tune.

That's exactly what causes lost control in tight situations. That is the advantage the stick has over the auto IMHO. So, if they got this right, they got it licked!

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by htron50

That's exactly what causes lost control in tight situations. That is the advantage the stick has over the auto IMHO. So, if they got this right, they got it licked!

True that Htron. My take on the A6 with all the engineering effort from the GM Institute Engineering Wizzards....<AKA Chevy Hogwarts Crew> , there won't be any shift lag with the paddle. I for one like human overide at all times. But as you said, fbodfather did say the automatic will be a mean motor scooter and a bad go getter <old time intrepretation of his words on my part>. So it looks to me the A6 will be spot on race ready.

[OLD_GOAT]

Originally Posted by htron50

That's exactly what causes lost control in tight situations.

I don't follow you on this. Lost control?????

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by OLD_GOAT

I don't follow you on this.

Respectfully, if I may suggest the following. Most automatic transmissions have pre-determined shift points, based on engine RPM, vehicle speed, engine vacuum, mass air density/flow, throttle pressure and so on...they do what they do best. They follow a map. At times...the drive gear chosen by a factory automatic under the race or road conditions may be too high or low based upon the drivers skill level, personal choice, or best bet for the proper gear selection under the conditions at hand. Therefore the driver knows what gear the tranny should be in, but the computer does not. This holds true for road course or open road high performance applications to a higher degree than for for 1/4 mile applications. If the modern manual shift paddle automatic transmission such as is offered with the ZL1 works fast and can make a positive shift without lag or delay and performs in the same role as a manual shift then there is no argument. It's about feel and timing, putting the car in it's proper gear for the road condition..

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

Respectfully, if I may suggest the following. Most automatic transmissions have pre-determined shift points, based on engine RPM, vehicle speed, engine vacuum, mass air density/flow, throttle pressure and so on...they do what they do best. They follow a map. At times...the drive gear chosen by a factory automatic under the race or road conditions may be too high or low based upon the drivers skill level, personal choice, or best bet for the proper gear selection under the conditions at hand. Therefore the driver knows what gear the tranny should be in, but the computer does not. This holds true for road course or open road high performance applications to a higher degree than for for 1/4 mile applications. If the modern manual shift paddle automatic transmission such as is offered with the ZL1 works fast and can make a positive shift without lag or delay and performs in the same role as a manual shift then there is no argument. It's about feel and timing, putting the car in it's proper gear for the road condition..

Respectfully, have you driven the A6 in a L99 ? If not I would suggest you give it a go in Sport mode before making generalized statements. You do realize the modern algorithms used in the TCM are adaptive and adjust them selves based on your driving.

[iFast]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

I don't know for sure, but I'm thinking they are the same as the 2012 paddles.

So can these paddles be retrofitted onto a 2010 steering wheel????

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by iFast

So can these paddles be retrofitted onto a 2010 steering wheel????

I don't believe so, but there are aftermarket paddles for the 10 & 11 cars. There is also the shifter with the buttons you can get.

[iFast]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

I don't believe so, but there are aftermarket paddles for the 10 & 11 cars. There is also the shifter with the buttons you can get.

Yeah I just went out and looked at my setup. The "paddles" aka the buttons run horizontal on the 2010s. Wishful thinking though lol.

[GTAHVIT]

Look there are some truths we all need to accept. The camaro A6 is not nearly as advanced as say a BMW sequential clutch like the M3 has.

There is a reason road race cars are almost exclusively manual transmissions and drag cras are almost exclusively automatic transmissions.

The new camaro auto set up is better and with a tune pretty damn good. And for the average owner who drives it daily a ton of fun. But let's be realistic about both transmissions capabilities. They are better in different ways. Lets not let this thread get derailed.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

Respectfully, have you driven the A6 in a L99 ? If not I would suggest you give it a go in Sport mode before making generalized statements. You do realize the modern algorithms used in the TCM are adaptive and adjust them selves based on your driving.

I'd say his response was exceptionally detailed, actually..."at times" the gear the automatic has chosen while on a road-course is not the best...enter TapShift.

Let's all take a breath please...

[99firehawk]

I find shift paddles over-rated. Wonder how many folks actually use them as a regular shifting tool after the initial novelty wears off?

I have driven a number of cars with paddle shifters and have them installed in my Magnum SRT8 (not the aftermarket ones but the AMG ones meant for the NAG1 tranny) and honestly I don't use them.

There is some latency on my Dodge paddles even though it is using the factory steering wheel clock-spring connector wiring to the auto-stick. The delay (although very minor) is somewhat noticeable in aggressive driving and have learned that it is due to the way the CanBus relates to the auto-stick commands, not the paddles. Now that is a Mercedes drivetrain.....I am sure the new Chev ZL1 will be interesting to see how it performs.

I am ordering the ZL1 vert with the stick. Nothing wrong with folks who choose the auto btw, but it is interesting how many are. From all the reading I have been doing lately, I look forward to the feedback from the guys with the early allocations before the vert order goes in

[adamgl]

Originally Posted by 99firehawk

I find shift paddles over-rated. Wonder how many folks actually use them as a regular shifting tool after the initial novelty wears off?

I have driven a number of cars with paddle shifters and have them installed in my Magnum SRT8 (not the aftermarket ones but the AMG ones meant for the NAG1 tranny) and honestly I don't use them.

There is some latency on my Dodge paddles even though it is using the factory steering wheel clock-spring connector wiring to the auto-stick. The delay (although very minor) is somewhat noticeable in aggressive driving and have learned that it is due to the way the CanBus relates to the auto-stick commands, not the paddles. Now that is a Mercedes drivetrain.....I am sure the new Chev ZL1 will be interesting to see how it performs.

I am ordering the ZL1 vert with the stick. Nothing wrong with folks who choose the auto btw, but it is interesting how many are. From all the reading I have been doing lately, I look forward to the feedback from the guys with the early allocations before the vert order goes in

I use mine when driving hard. Normal driving, not so much. Great for corners, brake hard, drop down to 2nd, power around corner.. If it's good enough for Formula 1..
I think it's better than the manual on a road coarse too. It just shifts faster period. I have a stick in my Z28 and I love it. Lots of fun, but the tap shift just outperforms a manual in every aspect, except fun and gas mileage. But for me max performance is everything.