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Old 12-28-2011, 04:06 PM   #1
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Can you people who have modded your camaro help?

Here's a question for you horsepower guys.

What are the ways to increase horsepower whether it be bolt on parts, cams, or weight reduction and can you order them by cost per horsepower? Meaning if something cost $1000 dollars but gives 10 horsepower but something else cost $300 dollars and gives 5 horsepower then the $300 item would be more cost efficient for horsepower.

I think this would help some of us that want to gain a bit more hp but are on a budget.
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Old 12-28-2011, 04:10 PM   #2
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If you're on a budget the best hardware would be a CAI and/or headers.

CAI $300-500.

Headers (long tubes) $400-1800.
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Old 12-28-2011, 04:11 PM   #3
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Or a tune via handheld ~ $500
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Old 12-28-2011, 04:17 PM   #4
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Don't get too focused on $ vs. HP... As it comes, the SS cannot 100% plant all the power it makes when you turn the computer controls off. You can make the car "faster" by realizing more of the power in terms of usable power by altering your suspension, wheels, tires, etc. before throwing HP/TQ at the car.

Try to look at the problem in terms of $ vs. Usable
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Old 12-28-2011, 04:19 PM   #5
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Solo cats and a cai. No tune, +20 HP. around $700.
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Old 12-28-2011, 04:34 PM   #6
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I like all these answers.

Can you list them individually detailing each items HP gain and cost?

I also am interested in the post about adjusting the handling of the car. Can you recommend adjustments and the cost for each adjustment?
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Old 12-28-2011, 04:56 PM   #7
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I like the philosophy and direction that people are taking in this thread.

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Old 12-28-2011, 05:26 PM   #8
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VMax CNC ported TB adds 6-8 rwhp for $150 plus MUCH improved off idle throttle response.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:35 PM   #9
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I like all these answers.

Can you list them individually detailing each items HP gain and cost?

I also am interested in the post about adjusting the handling of the car. Can you recommend adjustments and the cost for each adjustment?
Man that list could be pages and pages long…LOL

there are so many companies that make different bolt ons and each one lists XXX gains

your best bet is to do the research and do whats in your budget.

There are also things that you can do without spending anything. For instants, P&P TB… I did my own P&P on my 99 and picked up just as much HP on the dyno as the same size ones that were CNC'd from shops...
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Old 12-29-2011, 12:02 PM   #10
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IMO....the best way to address HP gains would be to first figure out which part is holding you back the most, just putting a new part that claims to give you 15 HP will not always be the case, if the current part you have is restricting you only 5 HP then that new part that claims to give you 15 will not, you will only get the 5 from it. Once again IMO i believe the best thing you can do is headers and exhaust, and a CAI, those i feel are the most restrictive things on the car
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Old 12-29-2011, 12:53 PM   #11
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Camaros already have a lot of power. Before adding more I recommend looking at improving the efficiency of what you already have. Upgrade the rear differential/cradle bushings to Pedders (or the brand of your choice) first before doing anything else. You'll be amazed at what a difference that alone will make.

I've put a lot of info in my project thread that might be useful to you:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45165

Hopefully that will give you some ideas and welcome to the addiction called "modding" lol.
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:04 PM   #12
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VMax CNC ported TB adds 6-8 rwhp for $150 plus MUCH improved off idle throttle response.
New to the site. Is that 6-8hp on a chassis dyno, or engine dyno?
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:46 PM   #13
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Alright, I like everyones input.

So far...

CAI - $400 - HP?? TQ?? Weight+- 1/4MileImpact ?
Headers - $1000 - HP?? TQ?? Weight+- 1/4MileImpact ?
Tune - $500 - HP?? TQ?? Weight+- 1/4MileImpact ?
Alter suspension - $??? - HP?? TQ?? Weight+- 1/4MileImpact ?
Wheels - $??? - HP?? TQ?? Weight+- 1/4MileImpact ?
Tires - $??? - HP?? TQ?? Weight+- 1/4MileImpact ?
VMAX CNC ported TB - $150 - HP 7 TQ?? Weight+- 1/4MileImpact ?
Exhaust - $??? - HP?? TQ?? Weight+- 1/4MileImpact ?
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:48 PM   #14
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Old 12-29-2011, 02:01 PM   #15
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Are we talking LS3 or L99? Because they are two completely different platforms when you begin to mod.

L99-

So many different factors that it's going to be hard to really pin point exact costs, to hp gain, to 1/4 mile impact.
You can start by looking at the 1/4 timeslips in the drag section. There's a list at the top that says what cars run with what mods.

Remember though, every car runs different. Every car will dyno differently. Prices will vary depending on who you buy them from or where in the world you're located.

Just an example -

It cost me roughly $6k with labor for the following mods:

1 7/8 kooks with hi flo cats, x pipe, kooks mufflers (complete 3" system)
KN typhoon CAI
LS3 conversion kit from jannetty racing
JRE 470 cam
SLP ud pulley
JRE custom tune

I'm guessing I'm around 430rwhp. No idea what my car runs in 1/4 since there's no track here anymore for 1/4, but I know it's an 11 second car easily. If you can get the tires to stick you'll run 11s all day long.


Your idea is cool but I fear it's just going to disillusion people. If you want to mod, make sure you have enough money for supporting mods and for when things begin to break. $6k in mods, may turn into actually $10k costs.
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Old 12-29-2011, 02:24 PM   #16
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What I think some people are missing with regard to the OPs intention is what he's actually after.

He's looking for a comprehensive list, sortable by either lowest per HP dollar, or least expensive to most expensive.

If someone created such a repository of data, you'd basically have a recipe for each individual budget.

If you have $1000, you could look at the list and say, "ok, cai is $300, headers are 600-$1500 and I should expect somewhere in the neighborhood of 30-40 RWHP increases."

You could do the same with $10,000, if that were your budget.
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Old 12-29-2011, 02:44 PM   #17
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What I think some people are missing with regard to the OPs intention is what he's actually after.

He's looking for a comprehensive list, sortable by either lowest per HP dollar, or least expensive to most expensive.

If someone created such a repository of data, you'd basically have a recipe for each individual budget.

If you have $1000, you could look at the list and say, "ok, cai is $300, headers are 600-$1500 and I should expect somewhere in the neighborhood of 30-40 RWHP increases."

You could do the same with $10,000, if that were your budget.

Thank you
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Old 12-29-2011, 02:47 PM   #18
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Thank you Big top gt. Wouldn't it be great to have this data so that all the other camaro owners could benefit.
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Old 12-30-2011, 12:03 PM   #19
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For $8500 you can have the same perforrmance mods that I have. That's about $40/ HP.
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Old 12-30-2011, 12:40 PM   #20
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If you want to gain the most hp for the money you spend I'd have to say nitrous.
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I understand what the OP is going for but...

I'm going to offer this up for discussion. There is more to a build than HP / $$

If you only care about cost effective HP then NOS is and always will be the answer.

My Dad always told me to consider this when modding my cars. Cheap Fast Reliable. Pick two....

Plus man mods are more than power mods... they don't make the car any faster but they make is more reliable. Like Drive shafts... or half shafts...

So alot of money is also spent on the reliability side of a build that doesn't always produce more power.

FWIW. I like what you are tying to do. But it will be hard to eliminate the cost of the supporting mods that you need to run big power.
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Old 12-30-2011, 01:10 PM   #22
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OK, here you go:

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Discuss.

Notes:
-These are flywheel estimates only. The number itself is not so important as the change.
- These are corrected for density altitude using accurate historical weather data.
- Each mod was verified with at least 7 runs at Alabama International Dragway.
- These mods are consecutive. By themselves, they may opr may not gain the same. My numbers reflect gains in the given order of installation.

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new owner and new to forum. will any or all mods affect warranty? i know, it sounds stupid, but i have always modded my cars, but never a new car with such a long warranty period. i like the fact that when anything goes wrong for 5 years chevy will have to fix it. i also like to go fast, but spending almost 40 grand on a car and then having no warranty seems wasteful to me. i'm not rich so repair work would then have to be done by me and besides that i'm not young anymore, all the diagnostic equipment, lack of a lift and enough garage space has made me think of just keeping this car stock. i don't race anymore at the track and this car will snap your head back right from the showroom. i guess my age is showing, but voiding a warranty for 30 or 40 hp seems like overkill with little benefits. i'd like to hear some opinions, just don't call me a geezer, ha ha.
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Obx headers , a used cold air intake from ebay, then get a $200 tune from a good tuner and that would be the cheapest way to have 50 more hp. And seat of your pants fun will increase substantially. All that would be well under $1000.
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new owner and new to forum. will any or all mods affect warranty? i know, it sounds stupid, but i have always modded my cars, but never a new car with such a long warranty period. i like the fact that when anything goes wrong for 5 years chevy will have to fix it. i also like to go fast, but spending almost 40 grand on a car and then having no warranty seems wasteful to me. i'm not rich so repair work would then have to be done by me and besides that i'm not young anymore, all the diagnostic equipment, lack of a lift and enough garage space has made me think of just keeping this car stock. i don't race anymore at the track and this car will snap your head back right from the showroom. i guess my age is showing, but voiding a warranty for 30 or 40 hp seems like overkill with little benefits. i'd like to hear some opinions, just don't call me a geezer, ha ha.
I'm pretty much in the same boat that you are. From what I've read it sounds like about all you can get away with is a catback, a CAI, and MAYBE a ported throttle body without messing up your warranty. A lot seems to depend on the dealer and I'm not quite sure who you can ask to be certain that what you're told today will still be honored next year when half the people in the service department have been replaced.
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