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Old 01-01-2012, 01:50 PM   #1
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Are there any FL LEO's here or anyone knowing FL citation laws

I received a ticket yesterday for tinted taillights. As good as they look I am going to remove them, I think keeping them on is just asking for trouble. Plus people have brought up some good points about taillight visibility, so I’ve chosen to go the responsible route.

My question is, is this a “fix it” citation, I’m assuming it is? When I remove it (later today or tomorrow) how can I go about proving it was removed and having the citation dismissed?

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Member Brantley847 is in your area and is an LEO as well. He could help i'm sure.

In Michigan if you get one it is a R&R ticket. Repair and report. All i had to do was remove ans go to the local police station and physically show them it was "repaired" and they took the ticket and it was gone.
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In Michigan if you get one it is a R&R ticket. Repair and report. All i had to do was remove ans go to the local police station and physically show them it was "repaired" and they took the ticket and it was gone.
The Sgt that wrote me the ticket said I'd have to prove its removed and have to go to court to have it dismissed. Want to make sure I do it right.
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Should not be considered a "Moving Violation" in Florida.A Florida State Trooper gave me an 'equipment violation'ticket years ago for having "clear taillights"on my Silverado pickup.She said she could not see the Red from the bulbs.I changed out the bulbs for red led's.--If you can see RED thru the covers,it should not be a problem.
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It is a visability issue....if the tail lights & brake lights/turn signals are visable at the distances FL statutes specify, both day & night, then it is not a violation. That said, most covers are reducing it enough for it to be illegal. We use a special translucent paint and swap to high intensity LED bulbs so they meet/exceed the stautes. Now, a LEO using just their own observation can ticket you for anything and the burden is on you to prove otherwise and in their defense I see the vast majority are illegal so I assume they just lump them all in as illegal. Same with the clear ones....if there are red &/or amber as required by law then it is not a violation either.
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The reason for this is due to the reflectors in the lenses are not visible anymore. We have dealt with this constantly
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What statute were you written under? (The number listed on the bottom right below the narrative section)

No. You cannot get a fix it ticket dismissed in Florida without going to court and actually 'fighting' it in court. A fix-it ticket simply lowers the fine amount.

Orange County has revamped their fine schedule, and it is bogus. I have completely stopped writing many violations unless they are blatant and reckless now because of how high the fines are...long story short. It isn't worth it to you to remove them for the sole purpose to have your citation dismissed. Your citation will drop from 116 to 100 dollars... and you have to go to a PD to have them sign off on the citation, THEN go to court anyways.

What I think the Sgt was saying was "get it removed and take it to court, I probably won't be there"... I cannot promise that, however, lol....like I stated there will not be an option to just have it dismissed

I know that is clear as mug, but I am in a hurry to family dinner... If you have any other questions, I will try to address this thread again tonight.
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What statute were you written under? (The number listed on the bottom right below the narrative section)

No. You cannot get a fix it ticket dismissed in Florida without going to court and actually 'fighting' it in court. A fix-it ticket simply lowers the fine amount.

Orange County has revamped their fine schedule, and it is bogus. I have completely stopped writing many violations unless they are blatant and reckless now because of how high the fines are...long story short. It isn't worth it to you to remove them for the sole purpose to have your citation dismissed. Your citation will drop from 116 to 100 dollars... and you have to go to a PD to have them sign off on the citation, THEN go to court anyways.

What I think the Sgt was saying was "get it removed and take it to court, I probably won't be there"... I cannot promise that, however, lol....like I stated there will not be an option to just have it dismissed

I know that is clear as mug, but I am in a hurry to family dinner... If you have any other questions, I will try to address this thread again tonight.
Thanks for the info. The Statute is 316.214(1) & the ticket is $114, not $116 (not sure of that has any relevance). I'm assuming this in not a moving violation?
Any suggestions on how I should handle this? I'm not overly worried about the $ as much as I am worried about my driving record (but I'm assuming this is non moving ticket) and future issues.
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114 is correct, my fault

Unfortunately, he did not write you for a fix-it ticket then. If it was OPD..they don't do much traffic, so I imagine he just made a mistake. Anyway, 316.610 is the faulty or defective equipment. He wrote you for some form of illegal tail lamps then.. It is non-moving, no points.

It will, however, stay on your record for all of law enforcement to see and if they ask if you received a ticket in the 'x' years, the answer is still yes... but it won't show up for insurance companies, won't lose safe driver status, and as long as it is complied within 30 days it cannot suspend your license.

You only have two options then. Pay it or take it to court. You have a 50/50 shot of a win in court. However, if you lose you will pay an additional 50 dollars approximately in court fees. There is always the chance the ofc does not show up... I just know court is a pain in the ass to deal with. Either way, you won't get slapped with any points.
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Thanks for the info. The Statute is 316.214(1) & the ticket is $114, not $116 (not sure of that has any relevance). I'm assuming this in not a moving violation?
Any suggestions on how I should handle this? I'm not overly worried about the $ as much as I am worried about my driving record (but I'm assuming this is non moving ticket) and future issues.
Same thing happened to me with my Eclipse....I'm going to take a wild guess and say it was a FHP that gave you the ticket?

Don't waste your time fixing it. I did that and my ticket dropped a whole whopping $10 . What I did was take the tint off, head on over to Oviedo's Police department and had an officer write it off that I fixed the "problem." I then went to the Seminole County Clerk of Courts in Sanford and handed the lady the ticket and the slip (or w/e I received at Oviedo after I got it checked off that I removed the taillights) and paid the ticket off.

I'd suggest just going to the closest clerk of courts and paying the ticket off. Don't waste your time going to the local department for a whole whopping $10-20 off. IIRC it shouldn't mess up you're driving record at all.
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It is a visability issue....if the tail lights & brake lights/turn signals are visable at the distances FL statutes specify, both day & night, then it is not a violation. That said, most covers are reducing it enough for it to be illegal. We use a special translucent paint and swap to high intensity LED bulbs so they meet/exceed the stautes. Now, a LEO using just their own observation can ticket you for anything and the burden is on you to prove otherwise and in their defense I see the vast majority are illegal so I assume they just lump them all in as illegal. Same with the clear ones....if there are red &/or amber as required by law then it is not a violation either.
say whhaaaaaaaaaaaat!? You have more info on this? I have been looking to paint my bezels black and go dark on the lenses.
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114 is correct, my fault

Unfortunately, he did not write you for a fix-it ticket then. If it was OPD..they don't do much traffic, so I imagine he just made a mistake. Anyway, 316.610 is the faulty or defective equipment. He wrote you for some form of illegal tail lamps then.. It is non-moving, no points.

It will, however, stay on your record for all of law enforcement to see and if they ask if you received a ticket in the 'x' years, the answer is still yes... but it won't show up for insurance companies, won't lose safe driver status, and as long as it is complied within 30 days it cannot suspend your license.

You only have two options then. Pay it or take it to court. You have a 50/50 shot of a win in court. However, if you lose you will pay an additional 50 dollars approximately in court fees. There is always the chance the ofc does not show up... I just know court is a pain in the ass to deal with. Either way, you won't get slapped with any points.
So other then future run-ins with LEO there is no impact to my license or insurance. What will another run-in with a LEO mean, most likely another ticket or more?

Also my impression from the Sgt is he would not show up to court. If I dispute the ticket and he does not show up, is it dismissed right there? Would I need to prove anything?
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So other then future run-ins with LEO there is no impact to my license or insurance. What will another run-in with a LEO mean, most likely another ticket or more?

Also my impression from the Sgt is he would not show up to court. If I dispute the ticket and he does not show up, is it dismissed right there? Would I need to prove anything?
Won't hold much bearing unless you just do not remove the lamps... it won't change ones decision to cite for a speeding violation.

If you dispute and he does not show, you win. You shouldn't have to prove anything, but they may ask you if you removed it. 9 times out of 10, if the officer does not respond, they dismiss and nothing is even discussed about the case.
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Won't hold much bearing unless you just do not remove the lamps... it won't change ones decision to cite for a speeding violation.

If you dispute and he does not show, you win. You shouldn't have to prove anything, but they may ask you if you removed it. 9 times out of 10, if the officer does not respond, they dismiss and nothing is even discussed about the case.
And assuming I choose not to remove the tint, what impact would that have? Would it just leave me open to future problems (easier tickets) with LEO's?
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And assuming I choose not to remove the tint, what impact would that have? Would it just leave me open to future problems (easier tickets) with LEO's?
Hard to say...It bothers some cops who will find anything to stop, it doesn't bother others. It won't change how often you are stopped.. but if you are stopped, some may be more inclined to cite for it because you didn't initially take it off.

I don't address petty equipment issues anymore unless I have a more serious violation. I did when I was a rookie. Now, instead of issuing a speeding ticket with points, I may instead issue for the tinted tail lamps.... but it wasn't my probable cause for the stop.

Lets put it this way, I plan on doing it to my tail lamps eventually if I go with a black rim package. However, I think I would liable to tell you to keep them on because if someone does ram the back of your vehicle, your insurance claim could be denied. That is why I would like to hear what SC has to say about installing LEDs behind the tinted lenses.
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Hard to say...It bothers some cops who will find anything to stop, it doesn't bother others. It won't change how often you are stopped.. but if you are stopped, some may be more inclined to cite for it because you didn't initially take it off.

I don't address petty equipment issues anymore unless I have a more serious violation. I did when I was a rookie. Now, instead of issuing a speeding ticket with points, I may instead issue for the tinted tail lamps.... but it wasn't my probable cause for the stop.

Lets put it this way, I plan on doing it to my tail lamps eventually if I go with a black rim package. However, I think I would liable to tell you to keep them on because if someone does ram the back of your vehicle, your insurance claim could be denied. That is why I would like to hear what SC has to say about installing LEDs behind the tinted lenses.
Thanks for all your advice, I 99% certain I am just going to remove them (pay the fine, not fight it) to avoid future confrontation. Just to confirm, this is a non moving, no point violation.
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Hi Brantely! Nice to see you feel the way I do about some fines, and if tail light lens are to dark they are a saftey hazzard.

The bulds we use are by Pilot, part# 3057. The coating is a Rust-oleum product part# 253256 translucent black. It still allows the reflective properties of the lens to work and the LED bulbs provide even brighter illumination tinted than standard bulbs not tinted.

Now, this will most likely NOT pass FL statutes if leaving the standard bulbs in as it does dim the illumination some.
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Hi Brantely! Nice to see you feel the way I do about some fines, and if tail light lens are to dark they are a saftey hazzard.

The bulds we use are by Pilot, part# 3057. The coating is a Rust-oleum product part# 253256 translucent black. It still allows the reflective properties of the lens to work and the LED bulbs provide even brighter illumination tinted than standard bulbs not tinted.

Now, this will most likely NOT pass FL statutes if leaving the standard bulbs in as it does dim the illumination some.
hmm, I will look into this product, do you guys offer it on your website? Only thing that holds me up is wiring and install. I am a moron when it comes to DIY. If it can be broken, I make it happen.

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Thanks for all your advice, I 99% certain I am just going to remove them (pay the fine, not fight it) to avoid future confrontation. Just to confirm, this is a non moving, no point violation.
Yea, you are good as far as points with a non-moving vio.
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hmm, I will look into this product, do you guys offer it on your website? Only thing that holds me up is wiring and install. I am a moron when it comes to DIY. If it can be broken, I make it happen.



Yea, you are good as far as points with a non-moving vio.
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Hey Brantley, do you know what the local laws are regarding tinted reverse lights? I haven't been bothered about them just curious.
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I tinted (smoked) mine back in 2010 with that pre-cut film and never had an issue or been stopped..

I don't think there are very many cops that know of the DOT regulations for reverse lamps as long as you have them (I would be one of them)...as long as they illuminate and when they do they are white, you should never be bothered. I smoked mine because I originally hated how the lights broke up the rear end. Smoking it seems to smooth them out very well.. also they illuminate white clearly so I have never gotten a second look by officers where I live.

...I will say, if I didn't have rear assist, I may have reconsidered it. With the line of sight and my window tint, they don't help much lol
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Go to court with pictures of a Stock Camaro taillights and case dismissed...
I wouldn't remove them maybe that officer was just being picky...
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