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Old 01-03-2012, 02:10 PM   #15
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Here is the Synergy Green test car with a different hood and holes for pins ... Think it may be a stretch saying the hood makes it a different model. But guess you never know.

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Old 01-03-2012, 02:15 PM   #16
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Z/28, the day will come......
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Old 01-03-2012, 02:25 PM   #17
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Here is the Synergy Green test car with a different hood and holes for pins ... Think it may be a stretch saying the hood makes it a different model. But guess you never know.
Too much camo on the Green one to tell, but the Black one, above, is different than LS/LT/SS/ZL1...different than a production-ready hood would/will look...different enough to have you thinking, "hmmmm..." And I'm sure they didn't do it just to tease some ZEE-wishin' zealots on camaro5...
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Too much camo on the Green one to tell, but the Black one, above, is different than LS/LT/SS/ZL1...different than a production-ready hood would/will look...different enough to have you thinking, "hmmmm..." And I'm sure they didn't do it just to tease some ZEE-wishin' zealots on camaro5...
I'm sold on your 12 steps, just add the Hot Wheels hood and a set of nice racing buckets.
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Old 01-03-2012, 04:06 PM   #19
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Old 01-03-2012, 04:20 PM   #20
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I don't see the masses spitting out $60,000 plus for a hot rod Camaro.
Really?

I'm going to view that post as you were just dumb struck by the awesomeness of a ZL1 Camaro.....

The various models of Roush, Shelby, and the now resurgent Boss Mustang have all sold regularly for anywhere from 45k-80k....

People will want it, and given a year or two to mature, the price will actually come down some.... Count on the ZL1 being around for quite a while..
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Old 01-03-2012, 04:32 PM   #21
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The only speculation is not if but when will we have our Z/28.



I say this time next year my VR Z/28 will either be on order or the driver's seat will be warm from my ass sitting on it.

I personally think the ZL1 will be a 1 or 2 year wonder so get it while you can. I don't see the masses spitting out $60,000 plus for a hot rod Camaro.
The ZL1 was never supposed to be a big volume car. If 10% of Camaro sales are ZL1, I bet GM will be more than happy.

As for people not spending 60k on their Camaros ... there are plenty of people that have spent roughly $40k on a loaded 2SS, then another 15 or 20 grand on mods. It doesn't take long for mod money to add up.
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So selling $54,000+++ cars makes more sense than selling $40-something hp cars? No wonder Gov. Rick is takin' a beatin' in Iowa...
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Old 01-03-2012, 05:55 PM   #24
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I really didn't mean to get into the whole cost/value discussion. But keep going if you want!! I was simply pointing out that the black camo we see in post #5 here, was what everyone thought was the FIRST hints of a different design than ZL1 has. But, I slow motioned the very first ZL1 teaser video and noticed the hood pins and then the tape covering the front air inlet. In a later part of the video you can actually see the camo tape pushing "in" a little due to wind..... So, it just made me think GM has had the whole Z28/ZL1 thing worked out already. Like someone else said I think the ZL1 might just "go away" after the Z28 makes it's entry. Maybe. The ZL1 was just intended to be in a muscle PLACEHOLDER edition for high performance (reaching and reclaiming "the pony car throne" ASAP). When the Z28 comes out, it may be in two stages, making the ZL1 redundant. Just a thought. Meanwhile the PLACEHOLDER is making them ALL sit up, line up, and shut up! LOL Though we know the last words are never going to happen! No meanness intended, just humor!
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Really?

I'm going to view that post as you were just dumb struck by the awesomeness of a ZL1 Camaro.....

The various models of Roush, Shelby, and the now resurgent Boss Mustang have all sold regularly for anywhere from 45k-80k....

People will want it, and given a year or two to mature, the price will actually come down some.... Count on the ZL1 being around for quite a while..
Yes, and some people are buying ZR1 Corvettes at $117,000 plus, the question is, how many units can you sell at those prices.How many Roush, Shelby, and Boss Mustangs are they selling? Surely far, far fewer than the GT500 version. One need only look at history to see that a high dollar version does not always sell well in many different models by different manufacturers. The original ZL1 in 1969 only had 69 ZL1 content Camaros built, many never sold in that configuration and sat on dealers lots for a long, long time until some had the ZL1 engine stripped out and sold by itself and other less expensive 427cid engines were substituted by the dealers to get the price down enough to sell them. Automotive history is full of high priced versions that did not sell well.
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The ZL1 was never supposed to be a big volume car. If 10% of Camaro sales are ZL1, I bet GM will be more than happy.

As for people not spending 60k on their Camaros ... there are plenty of people that have spent roughly $40k on a loaded 2SS, then another 15 or 20 grand on mods. It doesn't take long for mod money to add up.
And while that is very true, the number of people buying that SS and spending big bucks on mods is a limited number when compared to the total numbers of SS models built. Aside from the limited number of enthusiasts dedicated to "improving" and spending more on their SS with mods, line up any random twenty SS Camaros parked at a shopping mall on an average day, now how many of those have spent $15,000 plus on mods??
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There is another group that appreciates an upgraded car, but won't spend crazy money for it. Yet another prefers the upgrades coming from the factory. Then there are those that don't want an over the top GT car, but want a more serious track car.

Different strokes for different folks.
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