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Old 01-08-2012, 07:14 PM   #18
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Guys, I wouldn't hold my breath on that. From the article, it sounds like the ATS will START at 3400 pounds, for the N/A Ecotec 4-cyl version (an appalling choice to offer in a Cadillac by the way...reading that gives me instant flashbacks of the Cimmeron).

A 5th gen V8 Camaro would likely be closer to 3600+ lbs on the same platform. The only way you get a Z/28 Camaro at 3400 lbs will either be if it is a 4-cylinder, or if it turns out to be a "stripper" model, similar to what Porche does with certain models, where leather, power seats, air conditioning, a radio, most of the sound insulation, and possibly the back seats are deleted in an all out effort to reduce weight, or, some combination of both.
Even if it did come in at 3600 thats still better than 4000..... I think
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Old 01-08-2012, 07:20 PM   #19
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Since they only rounded to one figure after the decimal place, you could have a range of 3386 to 3414 pounds (using 10.75 to 10.84 lbs per HP).

An LT Camaro with the same engine and transmission combination weighs 3720lbs. So the ATS is at least 300lbs lighter. An SS with a stick is 3850lbs, so we're talking 3550lbs for a fully loaded Camaro with a V8. If some of the features standard on the ATS are not added to the Camaro, you may be looking at sub 3500lbs for a V8 Camaro. Plus I stand by what I said earlier, that the extra doors and glass on the ATS add weight that the Camaro won't have. There will also be significantly less sound deadening material, which isn't light.
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Old 01-08-2012, 07:22 PM   #20
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Maybe we should not have made this thread for like 3 years or so......

Boy do we have a looooong time to speculate.
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Old 01-08-2012, 07:24 PM   #21
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You realize GM never called anything "track pack"
... actually, I think it's a chrysler thing. Gives me the heebyjeebies when ya'll use it.
...almost bad as calling a "wheel", a "rim".

nothing personal, just FYI
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131653
Theres alot of verbiage discussed, bandied about, and tossed around here that I, and many of my colleagues, have discussed about the ZL1 for over a year, none of which I recall you posting about until recently, sooooo... here's a recent link to go with that....and as things stand you can say what you will, for now....<as my teeth clench ever so slightly into my tongue>
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Theres alot of verbiage discussed, bandied about, and tossed around here that I, and many of my colleagues, have discussed about the ZL1 for over a year, none of which I recall you posting about until recently, sooooo... here's a recent link to go with that....and as things stand you can say what you will, for now....<as my teeth clench ever so slightly into my tongue>
Ohhhh I see.... so you think I'm a noob in the Z28 threads?

.... SMACK.... am I a noob to the Zee threads?

Fen... he called me a noob... you gonna let him get away with that?

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You are partially right, in that I am sure the V8 will weigh more than the I4 in the ATS, however the ATS will have a lot of features as standard equipment that will be options on the Camaro. For all we know, a "stripper" model of an ATS could weigh in at 3200lbs, but since it is a Cadillac and not a Chevy (meaning you can't order it as a stripper model) we will never know.

ATS also will have more glass and two more doors on it. I would imagine doors add weight and I know glass does.

That said, I doubt the aluminum hood would make it on the Camaro, and the magnesium engine mount brackets might not either.

What can be said, with pretty good certainty, is that the next Camaro will be significantly lighter than the current one.

One other thing to think about is how big the Camaro will be compared to the ATS. Same platform, but what about overall length? ATS is about 6 inches shorter than the Gen5, does that mean the Gen6 Camaro will be smaller than the current car? That could add weight as well.
There is an aluminum hood on the current production Camaro (at least that's my understanding), why would there not be one on the 6th gen.??
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Unveil talked about a lot of aluminum and magnesium in the undercarriage. I can see some of that changing over to steel for the 6th gen.
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MisterCamaro69, perhaps it's the "tone" of what you are saying combined with random appearences in these threads, or not. Sometimes my fuzzy old brain takes a while to remember who has contributed to these threads and who hasn't if it hasn't been recent.
That said, back to the topics at hand. It sounds to me like the new chassis is going to fall within the range I said I hoped for a few weeks back, I said I felt certain the new ATS chassis would allow a 200 lb. weight reduction, but I was really hoping for a 300-400 lb. reduction and it looks like it will be very close to that.
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One other thing to think about is how big the Camaro will be compared to the ATS. Same platform, but what about overall length? ATS is about 6 inches shorter than the Gen5, does that mean the Gen6 Camaro will be smaller than the current car? That could add weight as well.
Actually, the current Camaro is not that small, the body "footprint" is close to that of the '69/'70 Chevelle, look at pics of a 5th gen. Camaro next to a 1st gen Camaro, the 5th gen is significantly larger in overall size.
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Actually, these guys come to mind..but at least they were comical...
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MisterCamaro69, perhaps it's the "tone" of what you are saying combined with random appearences in these threads, or not. Sometimes my fuzzy old brain takes a while to remember who has contributed to these threads and who hasn't if it hasn't been recent.
That said, back to the topics at hand. It sounds to me like the new chassis is going to fall within the range I said I hoped for a few weeks back, I said I felt certain the new ATS chassis would allow a 200 lb. weight reduction, but I was really hoping for a 300-400 lb. reduction and it looks like it will be very close to that.
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If there's no new info the posts tend to get redundant, but the ATS unveil perked up my ears.

I'm sure the Caddy will use the higher grade metals more than the Camaro, but I doubt we're talking more weight than a cute petite chick in the passenger seat would add.

Reuss really towered over the ATS, it's definitely a small platform.
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If there's no new info the posts tend to get redundant, but the ATS unveil perked up my ears.

I'm sure the Caddy will use the higher grade metals more than the Camaro, but I doubt we're talking more weight than a cute petite chick in the passenger seat would add.

Reuss really towered over the ATS, it's definitely a small platform.
I found it interesting that the ATS was 182" long, so while a small platform, the body is not tiny.
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I found it interesting that the ATS was 182" long, so while a small platform, the body is not tiny.
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I haven't compared them but I'm guessing M3-ish size
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ATS Dimensions (BMW M3 in red)

Exterior
Wheelbase (in / mm): 109.3 / 2775 108.7
Length (in / mm): 182.8 / 4643 181.8
Height (in / mm): 55.9 / 1421 55.6
Width (in / mm): 71.1 / 1805 71.5
Track (in / mm): front: 59.5 / 1512 60.5
rear: 60.9 / 1548 60.5
Curb weight (lb / kg): less than 3,400 / 1,542 (approx.) 3704
Weight distribution (% front / rear): 51 / 49 same
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Actually, the current Camaro is not that small, the body "footprint" is close to that of the '69/'70 Chevelle, look at pics of a 5th gen. Camaro next to a 1st gen Camaro, the 5th gen is significantly larger in overall size.
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I meant that the ATS is smaller than the current Camaro, and that if the next Camaro is not also smaller than the current one, that the extra size compared to the ATS would add weight.

I hope the Camaro follows similar exterior dimensions to the ATS though.
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I meant that the ATS is smaller than the current Camaro, and that if the next Camaro is not also smaller than the current one, that the extra size compared to the ATS would add weight.

I hope the Camaro follows similar exterior dimensions to the ATS though.
I think they'll use the ATS 109" wheelbase for the 6th gen Camaro compared to the 112.3" wheelbase of the current Camaro. While the styling will be different than the ATS, I feel like the 6th gen Camaro body will be similar in size to the ATS dimensions except in height (Camaro will not be as tall). Of course I could be totally wrong, who knows for sure what they will do.
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