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Old 01-09-2012, 07:48 PM   #51
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Well, its RWD & has a 109" wheel base (same as the ATS), so my guess is that it is on the Alpha platform -which is the platform for the next gen Camaro.
Completely cobbled looking. Other than that plain UGLY!!!

Please make a 5th Gen Z28.
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So UGLY it would have to sneak up on a toilet.
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Did I mention it's really really really Ugly?
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Again I'm sayin' 200lbs max savings.
I think you are just being a naysayer because of what you want....

I can see how they can save much more than 200!
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Did I mention it's really really really Ugly?
Remember all those people that said they "absolutely hated how retro the 5th gen is"? If this new model is a "trial balloon" for the 6th gen Camaro, I hope the 5th gen naysayers are happy with the new result. If this is the direction the 6th gen Camaro goes, I'm not going to be happy about it. Time will tell if this new Chevy concept has anything to do with the 6th gen Camaro, I don't think so, but what do I know.
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Well, its RWD & has a 109" wheel base (same as the ATS), so my guess is that it is on the Alpha platform -which is the platform for the next gen Camaro.
I would have to see it in person before I got too harsh in judgement. They say it looks pretty good in IRL.

I think there some good original design in the car, I like the less raked windshield, the dog house seems to be saying, "Look at me, I'm a Chevy" just a little too hard, (consider how they departed the norm with the Camaro and run with it) a few tweaks with the lines here and there, it could be a winner.
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Remember all those people that said they "absolutely hated how retro the 5th gen is"? If this new model is a "trial balloon" for the 6th gen Camaro, I hope the 5th gen naysayers are happy with the new result. If this is the direction the 6th gen Camaro goes, I'm not going to be happy about it. Time will tell if this new Chevy concept has anything to do with the 6th gen Camaro, I don't think so, but what do I know.
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I don't think it's a Camaro design either, but it's definitely not a total loss if GM wants to break away from the pack with a new coupe design.
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It's not a Camaro design. It's RWD however. And it just shows the level of commitment to the new platform. I would not be surprised to see more cars converted to RWD (like the Impala, a possible El Camino, who knows. But I agree... PLZ don't overdo the shapes of the "noses" and make them overdramatic. Grrrrr...

I'll be happy with my Gen 5 as long it arrives!
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It's not a Camaro design. It's RWD however. And it just shows the level of commitment to the new platform. I would not be surprised to see more cars converted to RWD (like the Impala, a possible El Camino, who knows. But I agree... PLZ don't overdo the shapes of the "noses" and make them overdramatic. Grrrrr...

I'll be happy with my Gen 5 as long it arrives!
And this is what was said about the two new concepts (I didn't find this until after my earlier post as I had just gotten home from work):


"Earlier this morning Chevrolet took the wraps off of two new concept vehicles, the Code130R and Tru140S. Chevrolet states that the two coupes are the fruits of much research into designs that appeal to younger buyers, or more specifically, about 80 million buyers in today's market. Despite the expressive designs, GM states that both concepts were designed to be feasible for production.

GM took an unconventional approach to designing the two coupes. Instead of spending time in customer clinics, GM went to college campuses. Designers showed college students various vehicle silhouettes and asked them to select their favorites. After a sizable amount of feedback, GM found that young customers have strong appeal toward two specific shapes of four-passenger coupes. Those two final silhouettes ended up being the shapes of both concepts.

The Tru140S is a front-wheel drive rakish coupe that was designed to be built off of GM's global compact car architecture (Delta), the same platform that currently underpins the Chevrolet Cruze and Volt. The Tru140S was designed to look like an Italian exotic, a design theme that GM's research shows has strong appeal to Millennial buyers. GMI spoke with Nick David, the lead designer of the Tru140S, who stated that the design is very feasible for production. Specifically, he stated that the rear bumper and fender flares are more expressive for concept duty, but the main theme of the design is something GM can produce.

Chevy's second concept coupe is allegedly based on GM's upcoming Alpha rear-wheel drive platform, the same platform holding up the new Cadillac ATS. As the case with the Tru140S, David told GMI that it too is feasible for production, which is not a big surprise. Whereas the Tru140S just looks more like a conceptual design than the Code130R does. GMI's immediate reaction to the car was that it looks very similar--both in size and shape--to the BMW 1-Series.

So will they be built? It sounds like GM has not made a decision regarding production of either car, however they did state that the cars are going to be going on tour this year to auto shows and other venues to "gauge reaction." The vibe we got suggests that both cars could see production, it just depends what the people want.

That begs the question...which concept do you prefer?"

So neither one should be a Camaro and they both may or may not ever be built, it depends on the reactions at car shows and the media.
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I think you are just being a naysayer because of what you want....

I can see how they can save much more than 200!
3,400 4 cyl
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Impala will not be going RWD any time soon.
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I said this on another thread, but the TRU140S Looks and awful lot like the 2007 Supra. Looks like GM talked to those who were in HighSchool just 1-4 years ago and may be driving bikes at college at the very moment the clinics were completed.

4 years ago the Supra was "killer" looking and a car HS kids would have admired. Now, for those who still have decent jobs and who may or may not be living at home when they go to spend, I guess that's what they are looking for. It certainly doesn't look like something the average Camaro buyer would be attracted to.

I'm just wondering if GM is leading with that design or just catching up?
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3,400 4 cyl
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Agreed. As I said before, the base I4 is UNDER 3,400. Since the difference in weight of a 2012 Camaro V6 manual and SS manual is about 70 lbs (V6 manual 3,780 lb, SS manual 3,849), and the announced weight of the ATS with the DOHC V6 is 3,402 lb (same engine as the current Camaro LT/LS V6), if you add 100 lbs to the ATS for for a V8 package you arrive at 3,502 lb. (and the ATS may well get a V8 package announced later which will narrow down the figure even better), subtract that from the current SS weight and you arrive at 347 lb. less than the current Camaro SS. Even if they manage to find another 47 lb of additional weight content for a Z/28 version, you're still at 300 lb less than the current SS and that would fall into the 300-400 lb range I mentioned. I don't know what more to say, the numbers are out there for all to see.
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Agreed. As I said before, the base I4 is UNDER 3,400. Since the difference in weight of a 2012 Camaro V6 manual and SS manual is about 70 lbs (V6 manual 3,780 lb, SS manual 3,849), and the announced weight of the ATS with the DOHC V6 is 3,402 lb (same engine as the current Camaro LT/LS V6), if you add 100 lbs to the ATS for for a V8 package you arrive at 3,502 lb. (and the ATS may well get a V8 package announced later which will narrow down the figure even better), subtract that from the current SS weight and you arrive at 347 lb. less than the current Camaro SS. Even if they manage to find another 47 lb of additional weight content for a Z/28 version, you're still at 300 lb less than the current SS and that would fall into the 300-400 lb range I mentioned. I don't know what more to say, the numbers are out there for all to see.
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Obviously we are all just guessing and it's just my guess that they could save more than 200. Yes a V8 is going to weigh more but you would be losing 2 doors, glass and amenities that you would find in the caddy but not in the Camaro. Time will tell I guess!
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Plus the ATS will have more sound deadening and more equipment (which both equal more weight) than the Camaro.
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Obviously we are all just guessing and it's just my guess that they could save more than 200. Yes a V8 is going to weigh more but you would be losing 2 doors, glass and amenities that you would find in the caddy but not in the Camaro. Time will tell I guess!
Well yes, we are guessing on any 6th gen Camaro weight, but the preliminary ATS numbers have been stated by GM. When GM says "a best in class under 3,400 lb for the base ATS" and later mentions that the DOHC V6 is 3,402 lb., then we are not guessing on the ATS weights, GM has given us preliminary numbers. And yes it is a guess what the next Camaro might weigh, but I think the ATS figures should be pretty good guidance.
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Well yes, we are guessing on any 6th gen Camaro weight, but the preliminary ATS numbers have been stated by GM. When GM says "a best in class under 3,400 lb for the base ATS" and later mentions that the DOHC V6 is 3,402 lb., then we are not guessing on the ATS weights, GM has given us preliminary numbers. And yes it is a guess what the next Camaro might weigh, but I think the ATS figures should be pretty good guidance.
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I haven't seen where GM stated the weight of the v6, but if its 3402 lbs then a 6 gen camaro v8 should be just under 3600 lbs. 3580??? Perhaps.
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I don't see GM keeping the LS3 in a 3,400 pound Camaro. That's getting a little too close to the power and speed of a Vette Grand Sport. Unless they are planning on upping the power or dropping weight in the C7 Vettes to keep it ahead of the Camaro.
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I would have to see it in person before I got too harsh in judgement. They say it looks pretty good in IRL.

I think there some good original design in the car, I like the less raked windshield, the dog house seems to be saying, "Look at me, I'm a Chevy" just a little too hard, (consider how they departed the norm with the Camaro and run with it) a few tweaks with the lines here and there, it could be a winner.
Took me a couple of years to finally see a fifth gen in person and I was in love with it from only seeing pictures the moment I first saw it. Apparantly hundreds of thousands felt the same way and this new concept is defintitely not recieving the same reaction. I've seen uglier and I wouldn't buy one but if it brings in a new type of customer for GM I'd be fine with that. I just really hope there isn't the odd chance that this is a possible Camaro design being put out there for a reaction.
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Also, if they were gonna put a design feeler out there for the public to see, now would be the time to do it. For a true unbiased reaction they wouldn't call it a Camaro just to see if people like the way it looks and I think they've got their answer.
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I haven't seen where GM stated the weight of the v6, but if its 3402 lbs then a 6 gen camaro v8 should be just under 3600 lbs. 3580??? Perhaps.
Given that the original numbers were taken from somewhere other than a GM press release, I went and located the official GM press release to verify some numbers.
"All three engines support the ATSís agile and lightweight driving dynamics. With an estimated curb weight of less than 3,400 pounds (1,542 kg), it offers a more favorable power-to-weight ratio than key competitors. With the 3.6L V-6, for example, there is 1 horsepower for every 10.8 pounds of vehicle weight. Thatís better than a 2012 Mercedes-Benz C350ís 11.9:1 ratio or the 2012 Audi A4 sedanís 16.6:1 ratio."

Now if you plug in their 320 est. HP to their 10.8 lb per HP, you come up with 3,456 lb for the DOHC V6 ATS. Now plug in my numbers from earlier where there was 70 lb difference between V6 manual and SS manual (and they are currently talking about the DOHC V6 in the ATS with auto only, no manual which would make an even better number for us), then you arrive at 3,516 lb for a V8 version. And if that translated exactly to a 6th gen Camaro, we are still at 333 lb less than the current SS manual. Go read some of the press release about their weight reduction strategy, every part of the car was looked at for weight reduction, they concentrated on reducing weight by grams not pounds throughout the car, the made use of high strength steel and ultra high strength steel to allow parts to be thinner/lighter yet as strong or stronger. Almost all of this should move over to the 6th gen Camaro, I think the naysayers will see a difference if they look carefully at what GM has done with the ATS. These weight saving steps are a mere glimpse of GM's future production techniques.
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Obviously we are all just guessing and it's just my guess that they could save more than 200. Yes a V8 is going to weigh more but you would be losing 2 doors, glass and amenities that you would find in the caddy but not in the Camaro. Time will tell I guess!
Coupes don't save much weight over sedans. The loss of 2 doors is more or less offset by the extra strengthening of the door & door frame for side impacts. The CTS & CTS Coupe are within about 15 lbs of each other.
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I'm thinking the 5th gen DI V8 they're sitting on could be a nice ATS-V introduction, to be carried thru to the all new 6th gen Z/28
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A couple of thoughts on these new concepts. First, I think both of these concepts are more like the 2-door Cavalier market. Think of it as a 2-door Cruze.

We're not going to see something very sporty that would have Gen6 blood until we have a production model C7 Corvette displayed.

When we see a 2-door ATS, we'll have an inkling of what the Gen6 could look like.
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First look in this view to me it looked like they chopped a Cruze,Sky and a BMW 1 series and put it back together.Then again what do i know I failed the inkblot test.
Anyone remember the Catera. Looks like the ATS is much more promising. Just hoping the gas killers don't send us back to when my '82 Z28 had a whopping 145HP or so. Things sure have changed and only hope for the better and not the worse.Going to be an interesting few years.
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