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Old 01-09-2012, 09:42 PM   #71
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I haven't seen where GM stated the weight of the v6, but if its 3402 lbs then a 6 gen camaro v8 should be just under 3600 lbs. 3580??? Perhaps.
Given that the original numbers were taken from somewhere other than a GM press release, I went and located the official GM press release to verify some numbers.
"All three engines support the ATSís agile and lightweight driving dynamics. With an estimated curb weight of less than 3,400 pounds (1,542 kg), it offers a more favorable power-to-weight ratio than key competitors. With the 3.6L V-6, for example, there is 1 horsepower for every 10.8 pounds of vehicle weight. Thatís better than a 2012 Mercedes-Benz C350ís 11.9:1 ratio or the 2012 Audi A4 sedanís 16.6:1 ratio."

Now if you plug in their 320 est. HP to their 10.8 lb per HP, you come up with 3,456 lb for the DOHC V6 ATS. Now plug in my numbers from earlier where there was 70 lb difference between V6 manual and SS manual (and they are currently talking about the DOHC V6 in the ATS with auto only, no manual which would make an even better number for us), then you arrive at 3,516 lb for a V8 version. And if that translated exactly to a 6th gen Camaro, we are still at 333 lb less than the current SS manual. Go read some of the press release about their weight reduction strategy, every part of the car was looked at for weight reduction, they concentrated on reducing weight by grams not pounds throughout the car, the made use of high strength steel and ultra high strength steel to allow parts to be thinner/lighter yet as strong or stronger. Almost all of this should move over to the 6th gen Camaro, I think the naysayers will see a difference if they look carefully at what GM has done with the ATS. These weight saving steps are a mere glimpse of GM's future production techniques.
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Old 01-09-2012, 10:15 PM   #72
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Obviously we are all just guessing and it's just my guess that they could save more than 200. Yes a V8 is going to weigh more but you would be losing 2 doors, glass and amenities that you would find in the caddy but not in the Camaro. Time will tell I guess!
Coupes don't save much weight over sedans. The loss of 2 doors is more or less offset by the extra strengthening of the door & door frame for side impacts. The CTS & CTS Coupe are within about 15 lbs of each other.
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I'm thinking the 5th gen DI V8 they're sitting on could be a nice ATS-V introduction, to be carried thru to the all new 6th gen Z/28
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A couple of thoughts on these new concepts. First, I think both of these concepts are more like the 2-door Cavalier market. Think of it as a 2-door Cruze.

We're not going to see something very sporty that would have Gen6 blood until we have a production model C7 Corvette displayed.

When we see a 2-door ATS, we'll have an inkling of what the Gen6 could look like.
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First look in this view to me it looked like they chopped a Cruze,Sky and a BMW 1 series and put it back together.Then again what do i know I failed the inkblot test.
Anyone remember the Catera. Looks like the ATS is much more promising. Just hoping the gas killers don't send us back to when my '82 Z28 had a whopping 145HP or so. Things sure have changed and only hope for the better and not the worse.Going to be an interesting few years.
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First look in this view to me it looked like they chopped a Cruze,Sky and a BMW 1 series and put it back together.Then again what do i know I failed the inkblot test.
Anyone remember the Catera. Looks like the ATS is much more promising. Just hoping the gas killers don't send us back to when my '82 Z28 had a whopping 145HP or so. Things sure have changed and only hope for the better and not the worse.Going to be an interesting few years.
I'm not a tree hugger, but I do believe we need an alternate energy solution before we deplete the resources we have now. If we don't have an alternate, let's make current use as efficient as we can... example: a certain 1300+ HP Camaro build that very well may get upwards of 20mpg highway.

Even with CAFE, current technology can still improve performance. We just need to get back to our American ingenuity roots and figure it out. I think they're doing a pretty good job so far.

... and the ATS over the Catera ALL DAY LONG!
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Coupes don't save much weight over sedans. The loss of 2 doors is more or less offset by the extra strengthening of the door & door frame for side impacts. The CTS & CTS Coupe are within about 15 lbs of each other.
Touche ..... good points!
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The last time Chev had a fairly direct correlation, 2-dr to 4-dr, was the '10 Cobalt:

2-dr LS = 2681 (GM AutoBook); 2-dr 2LT = 2778
4-dr LS = 2747 (GM AutoBook); 4-dr 2LT = 2840
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Too bad that the car is still 3 years away but a 3300 pound Z28 with a DI 6.2 450HP engine will make a lot of people happy.
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Too bad that the car is still 3 years away but a 3300 pound Z28 with a DI 6.2 450HP engine will make a lot of people happy.
A 3200 lb Z28 with 500 hp V8 would make those people even happier.
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If they can seriously keep it at 3400lb, I might think about trading up when the new Camaro comes out.
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The worst part about is that the 3400lb ATS is quicker than the '10-12 Camaros.
350 lbs should knock .3-.4 off the 0-60 time.
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