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Old 01-12-2012, 02:23 PM   #1
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Shorty Header Advice Please!!

I recently bought a 3000 mile 2010 SS with the L-99 and am considering installing shorty headers. Someone who has done this or helped please suggest a brand to buy. Are there any negative aspects to this?? Thanks.
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Old 01-12-2012, 02:53 PM   #2
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Any reason why not LTs? I would skip the shortys and get high flow cats, thats were the power is. Shortys without high flows wont be worth it, high flows and a cat back would sound good with a nice power gain.
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We would recommend long tubes as well. But if you're sure you want shorites you need to check out the new ARH shorty headers. We would also recommend a set of Solo high flow cats!
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I had the JBA shorty headers and mid-pipes and they made some good power. If I was to do it all over again it would be JBA Catted mids and a catback with a CAI and custom tune. "No headers"

The JBA mids will make more rwhp then a CAI or a Catback.
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:05 PM   #5
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Old 01-13-2012, 07:30 AM   #6
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Any reason why you want to do shorties? Is it because of price?

The biggest restriction on our exhaust is the fatory cats. That's what you need to focus on getting rid of. You would see more HP gain from using factory headers with HF cats than you would with shorties and factory cats.

Do yourself a favor and wait to do long tube headers with a tune. If price is an issue there are some relatively inexpensive options available now.

Keep researching before you pull the trigger on shorties. I think you'll change your mind.
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As others have said....if you are going to mess with headers, go long tube. Save your pennies and do it right.....

I just bought Texas Speed's LT headers (304 Stainless Steel) with Cats for $782.00 shipped.
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Shorty's are primarily used for changing the sound of the exhaust, LT's will add (free up) power but require that the car be re-tuned.

If you are not wanting to have to tune the car, shorties are the way to go. I would look at JBA or BBK. The quality is top notch and the price is hard to beat.
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I recently bought a 3000 mile 2010 SS with the L-99 and am considering installing shorty headers. Someone who has done this or helped please suggest a brand to buy. Are there any negative aspects to this?? Thanks.

Look no further bud! Whether it be Shorties or Longtubes American Racing Headers has you covered!! These Shorties not only picked up 10hp and 13trq at the rear wheels on bone stock L99, they also DON'T require a tune and are 50 STATES LEGAL (For all of you California Enthusiasts)!! You can even have your dealer install them for you. They come equipped with a real merge style collector with scavenger spike, 304 US MADE Stainless Steel (A standard on all ARH Products) and 3/8 thick S/S Flanges. What would really compliment them is the ARH Pure Thunder Series axle back system! Check out our website for sound clips.

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Look no further bud! Whether it be Shorties or Longtubes American Racing Headers has you covered!! These Shorties not only picked up 10hp and 13trq at the rear wheels on bone stock L99, they also DON'T require a tune and are 50 STATES LEGAL (For all of you California Enthusiasts)!! You can even have your dealer install them for you. They come equipped with a real merge style collector with scavenger spike, 304 US MADE Stainless Steel (A standard on all ARH Products) and 3/8 thick S/S Flanges. What would really compliment them is the ARH Pure Thunder Series axle back system! Check out our website for sound clips.

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Just curious.....was that 10 rwhp or crank HP? Also, was that with using the OEM cats or no cats?
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Look no further bud! Whether it be Shorties or Longtubes American Racing Headers has you covered!! These Shorties not only picked up 10hp and 13trq at the rear wheels on bone stock L99, they also DON'T require a tune and are 50 STATES LEGAL (For all of you California Enthusiasts)!! You can even have your dealer install them for you. They come equipped with a real merge style collector with scavenger spike, 304 US MADE Stainless Steel (A standard on all ARH Products) and 3/8 thick S/S Flanges. What would really compliment them is the ARH Pure Thunder Series axle back system! Check out our website for sound clips.
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Look no further bud! Whether it be Shorties or Longtubes American Racing Headers has you covered!! These Shorties not only picked up 10hp and 13trq at the rear wheels on bone stock L99, they also DON'T require a tune and are 50 STATES LEGAL (For all of you California Enthusiasts)!! You can even have your dealer install them for you. They come equipped with a real merge style collector with scavenger spike, 304 US MADE Stainless Steel (A standard on all ARH Products) and 3/8 thick S/S Flanges. What would really compliment them is the ARH Pure Thunder Series axle back system! Check out our website for sound clips.

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Are the shorties for a LS3 avail. ceramic coated? If so PM me a price delivered to Atlanta. Thanks.
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my bad....obviously overlooked that.

I'm still curious if the factory cats were used in that testing. That's where the restriction really is on the factory exhaust.
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I recently installed the AMR Shorty headers with a Cold Air Inductions cold air intake with no tune. I feel I lost a ton of low end torque. I understand that I might need a tune with this new setup to even out the torque curve. I was just wondering if anyone else was experiencing the same change in torque in the low end. Usually, once I take her up above 4-5K, she wakes up, but until then, not nearly as much pull as I had with the stock intake and exhaust manifold. So I understand correctly, it seems that I have more air coming in to my engine, and it should be cooler air now. Then I have air being moved more efficiently through the output side with the Shorties. How is it that this causes a reduction in low end torque?
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Did they ever post a price for the ARH shorties? I don't see them listed on their site.
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Did they ever post a price for the ARH shorties? I don't see them listed on their site.
Last I heard they were 1,095.00 a set.
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Last I heard they were 1,095.00 a set.
Surely not. Their LT's are only $200 more.
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I recently installed the AMR Shorty headers with a Cold Air Inductions cold air intake with no tune. I feel I lost a ton of low end torque. I understand that I might need a tune with this new setup to even out the torque curve. I was just wondering if anyone else was experiencing the same change in torque in the low end. Usually, once I take her up above 4-5K, she wakes up, but until then, not nearly as much pull as I had with the stock intake and exhaust manifold. So I understand correctly, it seems that I have more air coming in to my engine, and it should be cooler air now. Then I have air being moved more efficiently through the output side with the Shorties. How is it that this causes a reduction in low end torque?
Maybe nedd some miles on the ecu to let it adjust? Most shorties, my old v6 included pick up more low to mid torque and maybe only 6-7 on top, as does the cai.But maybe this combo leaned it to much? Check the intake sticky thread, I think cai made alot of hp but also leaned the A/F alot to do it.
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Maybe I scrolled through the thread too quick.... But why not Lt's??? If it's price it's worth it all way around. I've done shorties and is was a waste of time...10hp is about right. LT's on the other hand are good for about 20-30 hp and low end torque is way better. Unless there is some underlaying reason for shorties, I say LT's all the way. Take a look at Texas speed, they made me a believer in long tubes.
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Maybe I scrolled through the thread too quick.... But why not Lt's??? If it's price it's worth it all way around. I've done shorties and is was a waste of time...10hp is about right. LT's on the other hand are good for about 20-30 hp and low end torque is way better. Unless there is some underlaying reason for shorties, I say LT's all the way. Take a look at Texas speed, they made me a believer in long tubes.
I look at it this way: with my setup, I may gain ONLY 10HP by switching to longtubes. I can make that up in other ways and have some benefits - e.g. I was running low 12's with no tune with my JBA shorties and high-flows.

We'll find out this week how well my JBA shorties high-flows handle a centrifugal blower. I imagine it will be surprisinig.

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Just curious.....was that 10 rwhp or crank HP? Also, was that with using the OEM cats or no cats?
caverman, those are numbers at the rear wheels with no tuning done to the car! And YES, the stock cats were used in the testing
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1,095,00 per set is the correct pricing.
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