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Old 01-13-2012, 09:25 AM   #1
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After 85 years of USA Made, Craftsman hand tools now Chinese

I did a search and didnt notice any mention of this, so I figured I should post up. Apparently Craftsman hand tools are switching to Chinese manufacture.



I found out yesterday from a tool forum. I know they have been selling imported supplies and larger items for years, but the hand tool line has been synonymous with Made in USA, and since they have other tool lines, I never thought they would ruin the Craftsman line.

To me this undercuts what I have spent decades buying into as part of their warranty, as they will no longer be able to back up the products I've bought with an acceptable replacement.

Its also very underhanded how they plan to take advantage of everyones assumption that Craftsman = USA. They have apparently been subtly removing Made in USA off packaging on US made tools so that as the switch rolls out, it will be even harder to notice. The tools will come in the same basic shape (although as the link below shows, thicker to make up for lesser quality steel, rougher finishing quality and less gear lube), with the same packaging part numbers and price. It doesnt look to be stamped with its new country of origin, they just removed the USA and leave you to assume its the same tool you have been buying for 85 years.

Just thought everyone should know. To me, its an absolute deal breaker. I only support American made tools.

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Old 01-13-2012, 09:30 AM   #2
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I agree, what a let down. I guess I wont be considering craftsman as top of the line anymore....
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That is a shame. Unfortunately the alternative was for Sears to drop the Craftsman name all together when companies like Kobalt, Stanley, and Skill have moved off shore years ago and were selling for less. Kobalt I believe is 100% built in China.

With shrinking revenues and rising costs coupled with people with less discretionary income, you either lower your prices to stay competitive or your go out of business.

And I am not pointing at any party - but our "leaders" are not particularly business freindly either. With the tax laws, employee benefits issues, environmental concerns, noise emmission (ever been a mile or so from a forge? LOUD) particulate emmission standards, OSHA, Workers Compensation Laws... raised taxes both local and federal - how can we compete with China/Mexico?
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That's unfortunate to hear. I always liked the Craftsman warranty and wonder if they will keep that philosophy now.
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:48 AM   #5
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That is a shame. Unfortunately the alternative was for Sears to drop the Craftsman name all together when companies like Kobalt, Stanley, and Skill have moved off shore years ago and were selling for less. Kobalt I believe is 100% built in China.

With shrinking revenues and rising costs coupled with people with less discretionary income, you either lower your prices to stay competitive or your go out of business.

And I am not pointing at any party - but our "leaders" are not particularly business freindly either. With the tax laws, employee benefits issues, environmental concerns, noise emmission (ever been a mile or so from a forge? LOUD) particulate emmission standards, OSHA, Workers Compensation Laws... raised taxes both local and federal - how can we compete with China/Mexico?
Without getting political, I agree that policies at the top have caused a lot of problems. That said, I wont let sears off the hook for the following:

1. ruining a trusted American brand
2. sneaking chinese goods in under the guise of American made
3. charging American prices without supporting American business

Personally, Id rather see the Craftsman line die than sell out, but my agenda is different from theirs and I understand that. However, we dont know their monetary situation. They could easily be profitable, but not extremely profitable, and are willing to trade long term business for the quick buck. They also could have taken any of the following steps instead:

1. increase the visibility of their lower tool lines as harbor freight has, in order to compete on multiple price points
2. market the difference in the quality of their products more effectively
3. modify their warranty requirements to cut down on losses due to improper use or the common practice of finding old estate sale tools, damaging, returning for new etc
3. been honest to the tool buying community about their intentions and direction
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:37 AM   #6
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I havent fully checked this site out yet, but it came up on another forum, providing a list of USA tool manufacturers:
http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/tools.html


And for contacting customer service at Craftsman:
http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/nb_10155_12602_NB_CScontactus



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does that include the 'professional' line of craftsman?
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Might as well just go to Harbor Freight tools from now on.
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Did we all forget our cars are made in Canadia? How can we call craftsman a sellout while on a forum for cars that were outsourced to Canadia?
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Did we all forget our cars are made in Canadia? How can we call craftsman a sellout while on a forum for cars that were outsourced to Canadia?

Canada and the US are bordering countries with similar wages, standards of living, shared resources and economic interests. None of the same can be said about China. Also, GM doesnt hide where the vehicle is made or lead you to believe you are getting something you arent receiving.
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Canada and the US are bordering countries with similar wages, standards of living, shared resources and economic interests. None of the same can be said about China. Also, GM doesnt hide where the vehicle is made or lead you to believe you are getting something you arent receiving.
This really is a moot point. The majority of the components and material for vehicles doesn't come from Canada or the US. The vehicle is assembled utilizing outsourced materials.

The US and the World is really in an odd ball situation regarding global economics. While many would like and need the manufacturing jobs the Chinese produce, the standard of living would be considered unbearable to the average US citizen. Not because it's hard or demanding work but because the pay would have to be commensurate with that of a Chinese worker, which is very little. Why does it work for them? They haven't been fully indoctrinated with material goods and services like American consumers (although they are exploding in this fashion). So their paycheck goes to the essential needs for the family, forgoing things we take granted for everyday.

So, trying to bring back the jobs while still adhering to child labor laws, mandated overtime, insurance and other neccessary elements of a post modern society is very hard to do unless you're ok with paying $1000 for a pair of sneakers.

Also, regarding the environmental aspect. The major cities and industrial complexes in China have the air quality of a wood stove burning wet wood. Not good.

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Old 01-13-2012, 02:13 PM   #12
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This really is a moot point. The majority of the components and material for vehicles doesn't come from Canada or the US. The vehicle is assembled utilizing outsourced materials.

Really in an odd ball situation regarding global economics. While many would like and need the manufacturing jobs that produces Chinese goods, the standard of living would be considered unbearable to the average US citizen. Not because it's hard or demanding work but because the pay would have to be commensurate with that of s Chinese worker, which is very little. Why do it work for them? They haven't been fully indoctrinated with material goods and services like American consumers (although they are exploding in this fashion). So they're paycheck goes to the essential needs for the family, forgoing things we take granted for everyday.

So, trying to bring back the jobs while still adhering to child labor laws, mandated overtime, insurance and other neccessary elements of a post modern society is very hard to do unless you're ok with paying $1000 for a pair of sneakers.

Also, regarding the environmental aspect. The major cities and industrial complexes of China have the air quality of a wood stove burning wet wood. Not good.
That supports what Im trying to say. That the US and Canada hold their employment, environmental and living standards much higher, and some are keeping as much of the labor and profit as they can domestic. Unfortunately consumers have put a premium on quantity over quality. But I feel we should support any company still fighting the good fight against tough odds.

On a macroeconomic scale, I feel our government has failed us for 50 years on protecting our businesses and forcing them into these situations, but thats not something Im trying to get into on here because that is a moot point.

But you have to make a stand somewhere, and I for one would rather have less material goods but feel good about where they came from, so all I can do is my small part to support that stance.
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But you have to make a stand somewhere, and I for one would rather have less material goods but feel good about where they came from, so all I can do is my small part to support that stance.
Good message.
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Did we all forget our cars are made in Canadia? How can we call craftsman a sellout while on a forum for cars that were outsourced to Canadia?
Id rather Canada then china everything's made in china now it's horrible
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Vise Grips are also now manufactered in China. I still have my 3 made in the USA pliers by Vise Grip.
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Got a craftsman 7 piece pliers set last month; 4 made in USA, 3 made in China. A shame because their hand tools have usually stayed high quality while their power tools have gotten worse and worse over the last 10-15 years.
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No Craftsman Pro is still USA made. Taiwan tools are pretty decent tools even if they ARE made overseas. Most fo them anyway. Problem with Chinese tools is that the steel or the tool is made cheap therefore wears quicker. Sockets round out ect. But still have tools made in US for a decent price. I bought an 18pc Williams metric wrench set for 100$ on ebay. Thats a $300 set. Someone stole 2 of the wrenches out before he sent it off to me and replaced em with 2 used wrenches and threw in 2 more wrenches like a 25 & 27mm. I had no prob as they were all good. I have snap on tools as well, but I refuse to buy much snap on because theyre WAYYY overrated. Damn good tools, but the price is rediculous. Look for Mac or even Blue point isnt bad which is Taiwan made. I have 2 pnuematictools, snap on and blue point. Both work great! And were bought used. Id search eBay first. You can find some great deals if youre looking for a specific tool. SK wrenches are great as well. I dont have to have a mechanics tool set to do the job, as long as I have the right tools for the job. If need be Ill go buy that one tool I need. Not an entire set. Buy what YOU need and youll be better off than those with $50,000 snap on tool boxes that dont even use 50% of the tools in them.
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I prefer made in Canada, but I would encourage any business to operate whereever they can to make profit if that's in China so be it, learn Mandarin and go make some mo'neh.
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This really is a moot point. The majority of the components and material for vehicles doesn't come from Canada or the US. The vehicle is assembled utilizing outsourced materials.

The US and the World is really in an odd ball situation regarding global economics. While many would like and need the manufacturing jobs the Chinese produce, the standard of living would be considered unbearable to the average US citizen. Not because it's hard or demanding work but because the pay would have to be commensurate with that of a Chinese worker, which is very little. Why does it work for them? They haven't been fully indoctrinated with material goods and services like American consumers (although they are exploding in this fashion). So their paycheck goes to the essential needs for the family, forgoing things we take granted for everyday.

So, trying to bring back the jobs while still adhering to child labor laws, mandated overtime, insurance and other neccessary elements of a post modern society is very hard to do unless you're ok with paying $1000 for a pair of sneakers.

Also, regarding the environmental aspect. The major cities and industrial complexes in China have the air quality of a wood stove burning wet wood. Not good.
Having lived in china, I can tell you that china is due for a revolution within the next 15 years which will destroy the world economy. The yuan is fixed currently and this is the reason the Chinese can pay so little. Everything costs 1/8 there than what it is here. Also workers rights mean nothing there.

Also wet stove, is incorrect. More like living in a cloud of diesel smoke.

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It's not Sears' fault. It's all the "free trade" agreements that don't have tarrifs to encourage the source country to change it's working conditions. If you make something illegal or prohibitively expensive here, while your competition is doing that very thing overseas, you can't compete. It's bullshit..
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Did we all forget our cars are made in Canadia? How can we call craftsman a sellout while on a forum for cars that were outsourced to Canadia?
That comment is just plain ignorant, excellent spelling however...the education system in NY must be top notch.
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Just have to start buying Harbor Frieght and replacing the tools every other job. Would most likely be money ahead until I ruin something or get hurt when the damn tool breaks.
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That comment is just plain ignorant, excellent spelling however...the education system in NY must be top notch.
It's common to say "Canadia" as a light-hearted sarcastic jab at our neighbors to the north.
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As an owner of a manufacturing plant here in the US, I can tell you it is tough. I have t pay an hour more than a Chinese worker makes a week.
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