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Old 01-17-2012, 01:40 AM   #1
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Motor Trend compares the ZL1 to the Boss 302 Laguna Seca

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Old 01-17-2012, 01:55 AM   #2
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Good stuff, especially from a pro driver and not a magazine editor.

But times aside, the way this cars handling performance and versatility was described is one of the main reason why it's worth the price of admission. It does so many things well in that regard.

You can have your cake and eat it too:

"the Camaro achieves better-than-Boss levels of handling with the highway ride quality of a CTS-V"
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Old 01-17-2012, 03:45 AM   #3
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Can't say I'm at all impressed and won't say these times weren't expected.....
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Old 01-17-2012, 07:08 AM   #5
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Should have done better than that against the Boss.

It'll have a tough time against the current GT500's.
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Thought the ZL1 had forged wheels, MT listed them as cast aluminum in the specs.
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Old 01-17-2012, 07:17 AM   #7
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Thought the ZL1 had forged wheels, MT listed them as cast aluminum in the specs.
Had to be a typo. I read forged as well.
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Should have done better than that against the Boss.

It'll have a tough time against the current GT500's.
The new GT500 should trap in the mid 120s. That is specualtion, but given last years times, it just makes sense to see mid 120s.
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Old 01-17-2012, 07:29 AM   #9
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Well like the mods of this forum like to say all the time, you can't believe Motortrend because they are Ford guys and hate GM. They must be just throwing the ZL1 a bone until the 2013 GT500 comes out because we all know that Motortrend hates GM will not let the Camaro be on top for long.
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I agree, they should have tested it against the GT500. I understand the emphasis was on handling, braking, etc, but it still seems like a bit of a poor comparison. Ford has a remarkably similar car from a specs standpoint, and they choose the stripped down, n/a track car to compare to the ZL1?
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With all of the Hype surrounding the ZL1 vs GT500, I would have thought to see a review between the 2. They should have tested it against the GT500
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Old 01-17-2012, 07:54 AM   #12
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Maybe its just me but I really sensed this hate towards the zl1 in the review. They said the car was slightly better than the boss and hated to admit it. Also, Immediately after the review they were like ok so you won this round against the boss but BAAM here is the 650 hp gt500 and its gonna beat that ZL-1. I'm really starting to hate motor trend why are they being so bias?? its unprofessional
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Old 01-17-2012, 08:03 AM   #13
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I also thought the LS was THE ultimate handling Mustang...Is that not correct?
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With all of the Hype surrounding the ZL1 vs GT500, I would have thought to see a review between the 2. They should have tested it against the GT500
True, but it won't be fair against the current GT 500 since the Boss performs much better on the track
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I agree, they should have tested it against the GT500. I understand the emphasis was on handling, braking, etc, but it still seems like a bit of a poor comparison. Ford has a remarkably similar car from a specs standpoint, and they choose the stripped down, n/a track car to compare to the ZL1?
Maybe that's because their coveted Shelby can't compete with their own Boss on the track.
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Check it out:

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I also thought the LS was THE ultimate handling Mustang...Is that not correct?




That's what I thought, the two current best handling track cars against each other. It was a test of balance and overall feel, not just speed.
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So on one hand MT praises the LS, then when the ZL1 clearly outclasses it it is only lukewarm praise. I call BS!

However, it does still wait to compare it againts the 2013 GT500 which by all paper accounts is a great vehicle. We shall see how it pts down the power in real life. I look forward to that match-up. We will certainly see the pinnacle of pony cars!!
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Ford LS was better than the GT500 when previously track tested, so comparison testing between the ZL1 was warranted. I'd like to see how this 'new' GT500 compares to the LS, before it gets in the ring w/ the ZL1.
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Old 01-17-2012, 08:38 AM   #20
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What an exciting time the evolution of transportation!! It's great to finally see our major car manufacturers competing to see who can out-engineer the other. What does that spell? Better quality products for us, the Consumer! Competition in a capitalistic free market is ALWAYS good for the Consumer!!

Way to go GM and Ford!! (C'mon Chrysler...get in the game!!)
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Old 01-17-2012, 08:39 AM   #21
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Ok here's something for you guys, I'm not sure where they did the 1/4 test. But if it was indeed done in Arizona, I can tell you that the time of 12.1 is slow compaired to somewhere that is at sea level. If I knew the day that they did this test I could tell you what the DA was and give you a good idea of what the ZL-1 can truely run.
Just a rough estimate, I'm going to say 11.6 to 11.85.
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Old 01-17-2012, 08:42 AM   #22
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This article has made more justification to why Motor Trend is junk. Comparing a supercharged ZL-1 to a slightly tuned/naturally aspirated version of the Mustang GT. This was stupid.

I was provided with only the following:

1. The GT500 was either not provided to Motor Trend for this, or they were afraid how poorly the outcome would be.

2. I'm a little scared that a supercharged Camaro can only marginally defeat a tuned Mustang GT. So either Ford did great, or GM didn't do enough?

3. I learned some nice things about the components that make up the ZL-1. But that about it.

Other than that....MT junk. Not hating...just...disappointed.
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Old 01-17-2012, 08:43 AM   #23
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Pretty good review. Of course they had to begin the article with the history of the Mustang. Its like they had to let you know that they love the Mustang but are about to finally admit defeat.
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If they had tested the ZL1 against the current GT500, the critics would have said they should have tested against the Boss since its more of a track car.
Can't win either way

Nice job GM. Awesome car.
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If they had tested the ZL1 against the current GT500, the critics would have said they should have tested against the Boss since its more of a track car.
Can't win either way

Nice job GM. Awesome car.
Why not both the GT500 and Boss? I'm sure Motortrend could have got both cars. I'm actually pretty impressed with the ZL1. It seems like a very well balanced car. Looking forward to the 2013 GT500 vs 2012 ZL1 showdown!
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