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Old 02-18-2012, 07:43 AM   #1
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When do you think the ZL1's will roll out of Oshawa ?

I think the 27th because the closing of the plant that week... What do u think ?
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Old 02-18-2012, 08:58 AM   #2
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How long was the QC for the first batch of 5th Gens? I would think the ZL1 QC would be shorter than that?
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:00 AM   #3
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Why is the plant closing down on 27 Feb 2012, do they close for a week each month?
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:04 AM   #4
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Why is the plant closing on the 27th?
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:07 AM   #5
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I think its for inspections, or to get ready to start building a new product. I know they are building the ATS Caddy there.
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:05 AM   #6
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Think about all that money sitting in a parking lot in Oshawa. GM is paying the interest on the value of for all the ZL1's in "QC" and so all attempts would be made to get them shipped allowing them to invoice the dealerships. Since money drives everything the decision to ship is going to be made depending on what is least expensive to GM (recalls vs early shipment). Does anyone know what kind of QC is being done on a sea of ZL1s parked bumper to bumper in a parking lot? It has got to be minimal.
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:05 PM   #7
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As with any mass produced product I expect that the initially produced ZL1s will undergo extensive and thorough QC inspection which can be quite time consuming. Extensive QC inspection on early production units is standard procedure for a new product introduction. It would not be good business practice for GM to release ZL1s before they have been thoroughly examined for any Quality issues. Based on current available information, I think that one should expect the initial deliveries of ZL1s to begin arriving at dealerships in mid-March.
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:20 PM   #8
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I wonder how PERFECT the ZL1s will be AFTER they leave the factory & are transported to their FINAL DESTINATION... !
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When they get done checking them over. I am guessing you'll have it by June.
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:29 PM   #10
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Think about all that money sitting in a parking lot in Oshawa. GM is paying the interest on the value of for all the ZL1's in "QC" and so all attempts would be made to get them shipped allowing them to invoice the dealerships. Since money drives everything the decision to ship is going to be made depending on what is least expensive to GM (recalls vs early shipment). Does anyone know what kind of QC is being done on a sea of ZL1s parked bumper to bumper in a parking lot? It has got to be minimal.
Wow. I can't believe there is someone on here that thinks the same way I do about this QC thing. What a bunch of crap. They have 300 cars built and have had 3 weeks to "QC" them, and not 1 has shipped. Who cares about the marketing guys that said late 1st quarter at your dealer. Get them there ASAP. Maybe for once GM can be ahead of themselves and get us ZL1 buyers on the ROAD and driving these babies..
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The letter stated early to mid march... i think early march is now out of the question... i hope 2nd and third cycle will get shipped the same time as the initials
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:01 PM   #12
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Why is the plant closing down on 27 Feb 2012, do they close for a week each month?
Flex Line Down Week.

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I think its for inspections, or to get ready to start building a new product. I know they are building the ATS Caddy there.
Wrong. It is the XTS.

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Think about all that money sitting in a parking lot in Oshawa. GM is paying the interest on the value of for all the ZL1's in "QC" and so all attempts would be made to get them shipped allowing them to invoice the dealerships. Since money drives everything the decision to ship is going to be made depending on what is least expensive to GM (recalls vs early shipment). Does anyone know what kind of QC is being done on a sea of ZL1s parked bumper to bumper in a parking lot? It has got to be minimal.
GM would also be paying extra on the costs of shutting down the shipping yard and warehousing the ZL1's there; all in the effort the ship a perfect product to a difficult customer. Our customer is an automotive enthusiast and demands perfection in the product. These aren't Prius'.

A super car that will go toe-to-toe with 100K + dream machines, for 60K. QC is not minimal on Oshawa's bread and butter. The unauthorized photo's you saw were ZL1's that are ready to go. However until all possibilities of a quality spill or small imperfection are ruled out; your left waiting. So go grab a magazine; Automobile, road and track, car and driver, motor trend, its got the cover. This car is the greatest thing going right now so let GM do its thing and deliver the fastest, greatest Camaro ever built.
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:09 PM   #13
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^^^^ well stated. Patience will be rewarded shortly.
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:26 PM   #14
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Given the discussion earlier in the year about the fragile nature of the tires and with the ZL1s sitting out there in cold weather for weeks... How will this affect the quality and integrity of the tires? There is a lot not adding up with this whole product line. If GM had any desire to connect with their customers they would have a spokes person address this forum from time-to-time to give us some real answers.
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:28 PM   #15
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Wrong. It is the XTS.



GM would also be paying extra on the costs of shutting down the shipping yard and warehousing the ZL1's there; all in the effort the ship a perfect product to a difficult customer. Our customer is an automotive enthusiast and demands perfection in the product. These aren't Prius'.

A super car that will go toe-to-toe with 100K + dream machines, for 60K. QC is not minimal on Oshawa's bread and butter. The unauthorized photo's you saw were ZL1's that are ready to go. However until all possibilities of a quality spill or small imperfection are ruled out; your left waiting. So go grab a magazine; Automobile, road and track, car and driver, motor trend, its got the cover. This car is the greatest thing going right now so let GM do its thing and deliver the fastest, greatest Camaro ever built.
Why do we still have no idea what the grey stripe will look like?
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:29 PM   #16
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Given the discussion earlier in the year about the fragile nature of the tires and with the ZL1s sitting out there in cold weather for weeks... How will this affect the quality and integrity of the tires? There is a lot not adding up with this whole product line. If GM had any desire to connect with their customers they would have a spokes person address this forum from time-to-time to give us some real answers.
there are a large percentage of the ZL1 buyers right here on this forum.
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:32 PM   #17
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How do you address QC when the GOODYEAR tires are subjected to temperatures that technically VOID their warranty? I can understand spot checking a number of early ZL1s prior to shipping & ramping up production, but at what cost? I'm patient, but this is an entirely different matter. All things considered, wouldn't it be prudent to assure the QC of the tires... the ONLY things connecting the vehicle to the road?

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Old 02-18-2012, 03:25 PM   #18
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Maybe being in the cold weather is part of the QC.
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Maybe being in the cold weather is part of the QC.
lol thats funny
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Old 02-18-2012, 04:25 PM   #21
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I think the 27th because the closing of the plant that week... What do u think ?
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Old 02-18-2012, 04:28 PM   #22
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The unauthorized photo's you saw were ZL1's that are ready to go.

Hope that guy does not lose his job, because that was what should be happening now, we should be getting updates like crazy from the plant as this is a one of a kind car. Please see ZR1 for any questions. I realize there are other customers and other cars being built there, however Chevy laid on the hype and you should throw a dog a bone....lots of money involved and this should be an intimate experience between Chevy Oshawa and the people that are buying them. Can you guys/gals from the Oshawa plant hook me up with an employee required shirt. That would be cool. Thanks for the dedication and professionalism. Just run out in the lot and throw one in PZHSC5.
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Given the discussion earlier in the year about the fragile nature of the tires and with the ZL1s sitting out there in cold weather for weeks... How will this affect the quality and integrity of the tires? There is a lot not adding up with this whole product line. If GM had any desire to connect with their customers they would have a spokes person address this forum from time-to-time to give us some real answers.
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How do you address QC when the GOODYEAR tires are subjected to temperatures that technically VOID their warranty? I can understand spot checking a number of early ZL1s prior to shipping & ramping up production, but at what cost? I'm patient, but this is an entirely different matter. All things considered, wouldn't it be prudent to assure the QC of the tires... the ONLY things connecting the vehicle to the road?
The bulletin doesn't say anything about voiding the tires warranty.

It's obvious you guys didn't read the entire bulletin: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187045

I also don't believe they will be moving them at more than 10-15 mph before shipment so it shouldn't hurt the tire to sit in the cold and be moved onto a shipment truck or railcar either. By the time it gets to you most likely the tire will have warmed up to more appropriate temperatures or at very least you could talk to your dealer about having it sit inside for a day out of the elements before you pick it up.

Let them make this car right. I don't want to get the car and find out that X part on X was faulty or not properly tightened and there is now a recall because it was missed because QC was too short. I'd rather them find it and have it addressed during this period and the process for assembly can be adjusted or replacement parts made and installed.
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.... we should be getting updates like crazy from the plant as this is a one of a kind car
oh if only it were that simple.....

A few of us have tried to give you as much information as possible - and I respectfully submit to you that even if we were on here three hours a day trying to answer the questions we CAN answer (there are many we can't for many reasons....) we'd still have a few upset that we didn't answer every question.

We've made it clear on several posts that we do not ship ANY new car or truck at the beginning of production -- until there are meetings between engineering, suppliers, and manufacturing -- to ensure that the cars (or trucks) are as they should be. This is necessary in order to ensure a quality product.

In fact, even on vehicles that don't change that much (...think 2010 to 2011Impala) -- there are STILL 'under-the-skin' changes - and until we accumulate the required mileage on the CTF fleet - and meetings are held and everyone signs off on the vehicles in quarantine, we will not -- let me repeat that - we will not - ship the vehicles 'to commerce' --

Let me give you an example: During the time we were building 4th gen Camaros - I rec'd a V6 convert with a manual transmission as a CTF vehicle -- at about 2,300 miles one evening, I was entering a long, sweeping interstate ramp - and there was a person in front of me going extremely slow -- Now - we had made many calibration changes to the ECM --esp the drive-by-wire..for this 'next model year' ....and I managed to 'bog' the car down in 5th gear below 1800 rpms - and guess what? There was an error in the program and the car died right there -- we were able to capture that error and fix it so that our customers would not experience something similar - THIS is why we take our time with the CTF fleet - and do all kinds of 'unusual' things each day to the car - the last thing we want is for you to be upset with your Camaro (or Silverado or Malibu or CTS or Regal or etcetcetc....)

yes - we have a lot of money tied up in the lots - as we cannot 'invoice' the cars until they're shipping.....so you can be assured that we're not sitting back saying "...heeheehee!!! let's see if we can whip 'em into a frenzy!..."

We want you behind the wheel of your new ZL1 - as soon as possible -but we will NOT ship them until we feel all is right.

Don't be concerned about the tires.......we aren't driving them all over the place.....they'll be fine.
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