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Old 12-18-2011, 11:42 PM   #1
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2013 Camaro Z28?

2012 Dodge Charger Super Bee.
470 HP - 1/4 mile 12.8 secs.
Base price should fall between the 2012 Charger SRT8 and 2012 Dodge Charger R/T. Thinking 42K,


2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302
444 hp- 1/4 mile 12.4 secs.
Base Price 40,995


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Old 12-18-2011, 11:48 PM   #2
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The super bee's will be every bit of 50k, they are an upgrade to the SRT8 package, not an in between model.
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Old 12-19-2011, 12:03 AM   #3
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The super bee's will be every bit of 50k, they are an upgrade to the SRT8 package, not an in between model.
Understood, but thats not what the cheif engineer said.

He stated, price should be less then a 2012 Charger SRT8 which is about 50K

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Old 12-19-2011, 01:36 AM   #4
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I wouldn't consider a Super Bee to be a Z28 competitor. I wouldn't really consider any Charger to be a Camaro competitor really. A well done Challenger T/A on the other hand ...
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Old 12-19-2011, 02:50 AM   #5
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I don't consider Charger to be a competitor against Mustang or Camaro. It's in a different class.
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Old 12-19-2011, 10:49 AM   #6
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Maybe the point is that the "Muscle Cars" are expanding within their products lines.
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Old 12-19-2011, 12:00 PM   #7
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CLEARLY, there's a gaping hole in Camaro price points between a 2SS (mid-$30s, Base) and a ZL1 (mid-$50s, Base). One would logically expect a "suitable, competitive, badge-worthy" Camaro to fill that yawning cavern...

And what could that market-correct Camaro possibly be?!

Gosh...I wonder...and hope...and pray...
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Old 01-15-2012, 03:00 PM   #8
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chargers are sweet but camaro and mustang have way bigger fanbase..
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Old 01-15-2012, 05:36 PM   #9
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CLEARLY, there's a gaping hole in Camaro price points between a 2SS (mid-$30s, Base) and a ZL1 (mid-$50s, Base). One would logically expect a "suitable, competitive, badge-worthy" Camaro to fill that yawning cavern...

And what could that market-correct Camaro possibly be?!

Gosh...I wonder...and hope...and pray...
..... Berlinetta?
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Old 01-15-2012, 09:07 PM   #10
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The Super Bee will bee a stripped down SRT8, big motor (470hp) but no luxuries. Will cost mid 40k.
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Old 01-15-2012, 09:25 PM   #11
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Where is everybody getting this $50k tag from? You can get a Charger SRT8 for $46's now. Plus the fact that Dodge is releasing the Stage 1, 2, 3 for the R/T's is something that will also be competitive in pricing compared to the SRT8's.
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Old 01-15-2012, 10:58 PM   #12
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Are you feeling lucky?

This sure sounds like the 60's all over again. Keep in mind, the "hay day" of the muscle car era lasted only 3-4 years (1967-1970) before it fell victim to regulation, world politics and the oil embargoes. While the "current platform" of "affordable" production car muscle has been simmering for a year or so, it seems it will come to a BOIL in the next two years. The 2012 Camaro ZL1 will certainly be amongst the "top of the heap" as far as true street able production race cars is concerned. Exotic almost. Extinction could be close as well. Soon we should see the Mighty Z of fame. If history does indeed repeat itself, IRAN blocks the Straights of Hormuz etc, or whatever, you could be witnessing the HEIGHT of "this era"... Just saying. I can see another couple years of development, but then a retracement to more practical ways. It has been 43-45 years since we've seen this type AUTO MENU being served up to us as consumers. That means, ONCE IN A LIFETIME. Chrysler? Chevy? Ford? It doesn't really matter - when the game is over, you will be fortunate to have been a talent scout, a coach, a team owner, a player, or just a spectator. It's a great time for some of us who are getting a little long in the tooth to be here. Like Old Jedi says, being able to have one of these in your own garage, and be able to just look at it in person, crank it up and listen to the idle, AT 3 AM nonetheless, is priceless. To those of you who really aren't sure what this means in historical terms, check it out. For those of you who are not healthy enough to care or enjoy it, we understand. But whatever happens, the next two years or so will likely represent a peak in development for awhile. Just a while... but maybe for an entire next generation.
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Not that I want it to stop, but expected something to have put the brakes on the new horsepower war by now.
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Old 01-16-2012, 02:10 AM   #14
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Not that I want it to stop, but expected something to have put the brakes on the new horsepower war by now.
Something did. But we cannot discuss him in this forum.

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CLEARLY, there's a gaping hole in Camaro price points between a 2SS (mid-$30s, Base) and a ZL1 (mid-$50s, Base). One would logically expect a "suitable, competitive, badge-worthy" Camaro to fill that yawning cavern...

And what could that market-correct Camaro possibly be?!

Gosh...I wonder...and hope...and pray...
....ummm, a Z28 maybe........please...pretty please....
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Maybe the point is that the "Muscle Cars" are expanding within their products lines.
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Old 01-20-2012, 10:19 AM   #16
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I keep reading all these post about the muscle car era. It seems to me a lot of folks forget half of what fueled that era of time. There was a social attitude then that we don't have now. There was a revolution going on, and doing everything " the man " didn't want you to do. Now there is more of a social rest and correctness everyone seems to abide by... IMO
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I've seen a pic of that MULE driving around with the COLD AIR SCOOP in the front that gives me hope that GAP is being worked on!
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:03 PM   #18
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I keep reading all these post about the muscle car era. It seems to me a lot of folks forget half of what fueled that era of time. There was a social attitude then that we don't have now. There was a revolution going on, and doing everything " the man " didn't want you to do. Now there is more of a social rest and correctness everyone seems to abide by... IMO
Say what??? Watch the news it'll change your mind.
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Why does every bring up the Charger when comparing the camaro or mustang. It's a four door family car. Might as well compare the 300 to the camaro too while your at it.
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The super bee's will be every bit of 50k, they are an upgrade to the SRT8 package, not an in between model.
I read that the Super Bee has less content that the normal SRT8. I think they are looking for it to be cheaper and weigh slightly less. Even so it's a boat and not comparable to what we are looking for in a Z28. But that boat might do well on the track with the 2012 upgrades. A 2012 SRT8 can now keep up with a stock Camaro SS on the track. A nice trick for such a big car.
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Old 01-22-2012, 12:10 PM   #21
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I keep reading all these post about the muscle car era. It seems to me a lot of folks forget half of what fueled that era of time. There was a social attitude then that we don't have now. There was a revolution going on, and doing everything " the man " didn't want you to do. Now there is more of a social rest and correctness everyone seems to abide by... IMO
Here's a song from back in that time...
"There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and they carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side

It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
You better Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
You better Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
You better Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down"


"For What It's Worth" - Buffalo Springfield (1967)

Here's another song that is even more noteworthy in my opinion.

Written by Bob Dylan

Crimson flames tied through my years,
rollin' high and mighty trapped.
Countless violent flaming roads,
using ideas as my maps.
“We'll meet on edges soon” said I,
proud 'neath heated brow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

Half-wracked prejudice leaped forth,
“rip down all hate” I screamed.
Lies that life is black and white,
spoke from my skull I dreamed.
Romantic flanks of musketeers,
foundation deep, somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

In a soldier's stance I aimed my hand,
at the mongrel dogs who teach.
Fearing not I'd become my enemy,
in the instant that I preach.
Sisters fled by confusion boats,
Mutiny, from stern to bow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

My guard stood hard when abstract threats,
too noble to neglect.
Deceived me into thinking
I had something to protect.
Good and bad, I define these terms,
quite clear, no doubt, somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

“My Back Pages” - The Byrds (1967)

This beautiful song, is amongst the best lyrical song ever written during this tumultuous time period which crosses the civil rights, activist movement and the “hippie” counter culture movement.


And, here is the polar opposite to social unrest and upheavel during that period...


LOL...strange days indeed, what a cultural revolution.
"Don't trust anyone over 30" - 1960's activist phrase
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Interesting information.
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Wouldnt mind a superbee
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I found the Z28. I'm diggin' the black one.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195466
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