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Old 04-24-2009, 10:27 AM   #1
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Dishonest Tuners

If you are thinking of sending your new Camaro to a tuner for some extra power please go ahead and google that tuners name. I am and always have been a Camaro freak. So please be sure before you send your car to any tuner to research his companies name and check for lawsuits. Ask as many people as possible about their reputation. Some sites will let tuners operate their scams if they become a paying vendor. To me that is the same thing as giving a crook the key to your home. Be careful with your hard earned money and enjoy the new F-body.
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Old 04-24-2009, 10:36 AM   #2
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thanks for the heads up
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Locals only for my goodies. I allready know the guy who will work on mine. Billy Baine. I've seen his work and talkedto him. VERY good at what he does.
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Would that be known as the "Hennessy Principle?"
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Old 04-24-2009, 10:59 AM   #5
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It is my opinion that you should never get a car tuned without a dyno. There might be a good tune out there, but some cars have kinks that need to be worked out when tuning. Not every car responds to the same tune in the same way. This can be due to the climate, elevation, or driving history of the car. In any case, it is important to treat each car in its own unique way.

I also feel that name brands have something more to uphold than local shops. As a result, I will probably be taking my Camaro to someone big.
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:03 AM   #6
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If you are thinking of sending your new Camaro to a tuner for some extra power please go ahead and google that tuners name. I am and always have been a Camaro freak. So please be sure before you send your car to any tuner to research his companies name and check for lawsuits. Ask as many people as possible about their reputation. Some sites will let tuners operate their scams if they become a paying vendor. To me that is the same thing as giving a crook the key to your home. Be careful with your hard earned money and enjoy the new F-body.
Not too far from you is Mike Norris Motorsports. He has a chassis dyno and has a great reputation for LS motors. Not a big name, but great abilities.
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:03 AM   #7
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Think we could start a "Tuner Feedback" thread? Who are the good recommended tuners in each state? Good dyno facilities, etc.? Names, contact info, etc.?

I was looking at some places in Michigan. Livernois was one that popped up and I've seen mixed reviews. I guess they have a badass garage, so to afford that kind of setup I would think they must be doing something right. Not sure though, I've never dealt with them.
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:04 AM   #8
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Hope you know the local GM Service Warranty Rep...Very Well....You will void your engine, trans, and rear end warranty...Dealers will be looking for this..
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:07 AM   #9
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Hope you know the local GM Service Warranty Rep...Very Well....You will void your engine, trans, and rear end warranty...Dealers will be looking for this..
Magnusson Moss Act. Not sure if I spelled that correctly. Unless they can prove that an aftermarket part or tune caused a failure they cannot void your warranty. I've had this issue with a SeaDoo dealer, asked them about it and they hushed up.
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Hope you know the local GM Service Warranty Rep...Very Well....You will void your engine, trans, and rear end warranty...Dealers will be looking for this..
Pretty sure most everyone who plans on doing something like this already knows that and doesn't care. If you run a good mild tune there should be zero issues from the car.
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:10 AM   #11
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Happy to say, Tom Henry Racing, 15 miles away.
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:11 AM   #12
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Would that be known as the "Hennessy Principle?"
He's an interesting example - if all you do is check out his businesses on the Better Business Bureau website, he comes up squeaky clean. You don't find the real dirt on him until you do some serious forum crawling.
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He's an interesting example - if all you do is check out his businesses on the Better Business Bureau website, he comes up squeaky clean. You don't find the real dirt on him until you do some serious forum crawling.
That is interesting. I definitely would have though that would NOT be the case from the stories I've heard.
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:29 AM   #15
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Locals only for my goodies. I allready know the guy who will work on mine. Billy Baine. I've seen his work and talkedto him. VERY good at what he does.


Bay State Garage down in West Dennis for me. His name is Bill too (also like me, haha). He's had the opportunity to screw me over HARDCORE many times on my '97 F150 and '98 Mountaineer, and never has.

Local ftw!
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He's an interesting example - if all you do is check out his businesses on the Better Business Bureau website, he comes up squeaky clean. You don't find the real dirt on him until you do some serious forum crawling.
Not really, just google "hennessy lawsuits".
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It is my opinion that you should never get a car tuned without a dyno. There might be a good tune out there, but some cars have kinks that need to be worked out when tuning. Not every car responds to the same tune in the same way. This can be due to the climate, elevation, or driving history of the car. In any case, it is important to treat each car in its own unique way.

I also feel that name brands have something more to uphold than local shops. As a result, I will probably be taking my Camaro to someone big.
just remember that a big name doesn't necessarily imply a good job will be done on your car... for instance, MTI in Houston was one of the biggest LSx shops in the US for about a 5 year stretch... and I have personally fixed at least three of their tunes... and those tunes were done on a DynoJet dyno at the MTI shop... sometimes things get busy and those big shops will rush a bit on one car to make another car they know is going to be difficult get finished before close of business.

and there are things that you can get a tuner to do that dont require a dyno... tuning out the speed limiter, removing CAGS, recalibrating the speedometer for bigger wheels and deleting torque management are all things that can be done to a car that will not require a dyno.
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