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Old 01-28-2012, 10:53 AM   #26
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Are the ZL1 sway bars a direct bolt on mod you can do to an FE4 2012 SS?
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Old 01-28-2012, 10:58 AM   #27
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Can you explain this? I'm not doubting you. It's just that I can understand that the front structure may be stiff enough that a strut tower brace is not needed, but I wouldn't think it would hurt anything.
When you turn a corner hard the tower under the higher load will lean in just a hair increasing negative camber exactly when you want it most. A number of Grand Am Camaro TEAMs have stopped using a front strut tower bar. Pedders has been on record since day one on Camaro5 telling everyone that would listen you don't need one for many reasons, but we held back a bit on this detail. You don't want to tell the 'other' guys everything
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Old 01-28-2012, 11:37 AM   #28
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GTA... the name sounds familiar, but I can't place it



Easiest way is to post a pic here or email one to me PGD@PeddersUSA.com



With the RWHP you are making you will want the new FE4 / ZL1 rear bar to match your adjustable 27mm front bar. Why? to more evenly distribute load on a hard launch. To bring better handling balance to your Camaro with the blower up front. I would wait on the lowering coils and install rear sub-frame bushes EP1201HD and EP6579 full face radius bush inserts along with you sway bars. Why? We want to plant the IRS assembly and eliminate rear end step out. The radius bush inserts will reduce unwanted dynamic caster changes. Add in a tight spec Pedders alignment and you won't believe the difference this makes every mile you drive. You'll fall in love with your 5th Gen like it was a new car.
I have ready to install and would like to put it all on now
Lowering springs
27 front bar with end links
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PFADT trailing arms

Is it going to be ok to run front bar now and get a rear bar later, when I have the money?

I sold the 6577 full bush because I didn't want to have to find a press. My plan was gonna be to buy just the inserts 6578, but you think I should get the 6579 even for mostly street driving?

Willi need any alignment kits. I would like to get away with out them right now if I can. Thanks for the help.
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Old 01-28-2012, 01:21 PM   #29
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Why the change in front to rear camber relationships?
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Old 01-28-2012, 01:33 PM   #30
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I have ready to install and would like to put it all on now
Lowering springs
27 front bar with end links
1201HD
1167HD
PFADT trailing arms

Is it going to be ok to run front bar now and get a rear bar later, when I have the money?

I sold the 6577 full bush because I didn't want to have to find a press. My plan was gonna be to buy just the inserts 6578, but you think I should get the 6579 even for mostly street driving?

Willi need any alignment kits. I would like to get away with out them right now if I can. Thanks for the help.
Yes you can install everything you have now.

I have a preference for the EP6579 and would and did put it in my street Camaro.

The rear camber bolts would be a good add at this time.
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Old 01-28-2012, 01:43 PM   #31
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Why the change in front to rear camber relationships?
Because we can

Off the show room floor the Camaro understeers. We can correct understeer by:

adding a larger rear bar
increasing the front track
reducing rear camber
increasing the front tire size
moving weight around in the car
lightening the front end

We could add more to the list, but you get the idea. With the old style bar setup, we used a formula for rear camber to reduce understeer. Rear camber should be half the front camber or less. With the new bar setup, we can run higher rear negative camber and and maintain the balance of the car. The end result is the Camaro with the new FE4 / ZL1 Pedders bars remains neutral with higher rear negative camber and corners better.

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Hey Pete, put me down for one of the kits when you get them together.
I have to at least keep my car up with Dan's even if he gets a lot more seat time than I do..
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Hey Pete, put me down for one of the kits when you get them together.
I have to at least keep my car up with Dan's even if he gets a lot more seat time than I do..
Thank you for continuing to choose Pedders. You will get the first set Mr. MSW.
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Considering I only have a one day freight advantage I guess I had hurry up and get my tools in so I can atleast beat you to the install.
Man I need some seat time so I can run with you guys at the Fest.
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Dang it man, all this new mod talk and the Rolex series on the TV.....I need seat time!
Oh well I guess it is back to work for me.....The speed at which Pete is making new gotta have parts means long days to pay for them all.
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Dang it man, all this new mod talk and the Rolex series on the TV.....I need seat time!
Oh well I guess it is back to work for me.....The speed at which Pete is making new gotta have parts means long days to pay for them all.
Aint that the truth..

What's worse is, I'm not even able to order them...

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OK, ok, ok. You can have set #2. I'll install them myself, at INDY, Sunday afternoon

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Dang it man, all this new mod talk and the Rolex series on the TV.....I need seat time!
Oh well I guess it is back to work for me.....The speed at which Pete is making new gotta have parts means long days to pay for them all.
Do you have a HD strut compressor in your shop? Those Denali lowering coils need a serious strut compressor
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Thanks Pete!



Considering I only have a one day freight advantage I guess I had hurry up and get my tools in so I can atleast beat you to the install.
Man I need some seat time so I can run with you guys at the Fest.
well I'll be getting my seat time at the fest if I don't free up some time in the next 8 months....

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Dang it man, all this new mod talk and the Rolex series on the TV.....I need seat time!
Oh well I guess it is back to work for me.....The speed at which Pete is making new gotta have parts means long days to pay for them all.
Aint that the truth..

What's worse is, I'm not even able to order them...

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Old 01-28-2012, 03:54 PM   #40
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well I'll be getting my seat time at the fest if I don't free up some time in the next 8 months....
Ahem...that'd be more like 6 months. ...just sayin'.
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Which style of sway and endlinks is this?

Pete,
Here is the pic of the sway and endlinks I have now is this old or new style? Will I have to do some drilling and if so is that a bad deal?
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OK, ok, ok. You can have set #2. I'll install them myself, at INDY, Sunday afternoon

JUst like I thought....bet they ship the same day!

Do you have a HD strut compressor in your shop? Those Denali lowering coils need a serious strut compressor
Oooo That will be just some of what all I order. Well if I get time to order them, when will I make time to lose a whole day to order a new Denali?
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OK, ok, ok. You can have set #2. I'll install them myself, at INDY, Sunday afternoon
Gee thanks so very much...

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Here is the pic of the sway and endlinks I have now is this old or new style? Will I have to do some drilling and if so is that a bad deal?
Those should be the FE3 bars and endlinks. Or the old style. No drilling... those will bolt right up.

IF you want to take advantage of the improved FE 4/5 rear lower control arms and swaybar setup, you'll need to buy a new FE 4/5 sway bar and endlinks from Pedders and get new FE4/5 Lower control Arms from Chevy.
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Old 01-28-2012, 05:50 PM   #44
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Looks Like my rear sway will be for sale soon.
Maybe an old style rear would work good for me? To many decisions
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absolutely! there is nothing wrong with the old style swaybar/endlink setup...

It's just that the new swaybar/ endlink / LCA is more efficient and allows for more aggressive setup. but for a DD car the old (FE3) aftermarket systems are gonna be a big improvement over stock.

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If you have stock struts/LCA and didn't drill them out, just make sure the Pedders endlinks are not the 12mm(?)stud ones that require enlarging.

I have the older Pedders system with XA coilovers and my front strut and rear arm endlink hole is enlarged. If I can use the new style bar on the old arm, that would be great. Can't remember if there is a welded boxed brace on the rear LCA near the hub.

Otherwise, more $$$ for 2012 LCAs. Then, change out bushings, too? Does it ever end?

And I told my wife I'd keep the car fairly stock. Those days are over...
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Here is the pic of the sway and endlinks I have now is this old or new style? Will I have to do some drilling and if so is that a bad deal?
You have the best endlinks available for the 5th Gen, Pedders High Efficiency OE Quiet Adjustable Length Endlinks. There is no need to drill anything to install the front bar.
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If you have stock struts/LCA and didn't drill them out, just make sure the Pedders endlinks are not the 12mm(?)stud ones that require enlarging.

I have the older Pedders system with XA coilovers and my front strut and rear arm endlink hole is enlarged. If I can use the new style bar on the old arm, that would be great. Can't remember if there is a welded boxed brace on the rear LCA near the hub.

Otherwise, more $$$ for 2012 LCAs. Then, change out bushings, too? Does it ever end?

And I told my wife I'd keep the car fairly stock. Those days are over...
And you wife said she would obey so it all come out even in the end
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If I can use the new style bar on the old arm, that would be great. Can't remember if there is a welded boxed brace on the rear LCA near the hub.
Only the 2012 on arms have room for the new drop link so the answer is you'll need new arms to go with the new sway bar.
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