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Old 01-29-2012, 08:40 PM   #51
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You have the best endlinks available for the 5th Gen, Pedders High Efficiency OE Quiet Adjustable Length Endlinks. There is no need to drill anything to install the front bar.
That is great news thanks Pete!
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The part numbers for the FE4 / ZL1 style arms are Left Arm 22786033 Right Arm 22786034 and carry Chevrolet MSRP of $108.00.
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What's the best set up for convertibles? How do you improve the suspension without killing the car and the ride? I have seen many solutions for coupes, but want to hear what the best package is for us convertible guys.
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What's the best set up for convertibles? How do you improve the suspension without killing the car and the ride? I have seen many solutions for coupes, but want to hear what the best package is for us convertible guys.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. We start with the sub-frame and radius bushes (Pedders Street I). They are the foundational mods of any 5th Gen. From there we can go two ways. Lowering coils (Front 220032 and Rear 220035 to carry the top weight) or coilovers. The beauty of coilovers is the adjust-ability. The choice on coilovers or lowering coils is driven by the owner's expectations for vehicle performance and of course budget. For many, foundational bushes, the FE4 sway bar upgrade and a Pedders tight spec alignment are all they will ever need or want.

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How do you drive your Camaro? Street, strip, AC, road course?
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Old 01-31-2012, 02:21 PM   #56
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Power adders are in the future - supercharger or head cam package. I really don't race or auto-X but would like to regain some of the crispness my 2003 Z06 had in its steering but try to keep some of the civility of the stock ride of the camaro. I have small children. Is that even possible?
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Old 01-31-2012, 02:32 PM   #57
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The Camaro SS FE4 suspension moves the rear sway bar endlink / drop link mounting close to the knuckle to increase efficiency. The stock bars are now solid 23mm front and 24mm rear. The ZL1 will have 25mm solid front bars and 28mm solid rear bars. Chevrolet moved from hollow to solid bars for strength and durability. They did well, very well

Pedders exists to take Modern Muscle to the next level and we have a particular affinity for the 5th Gen Camaro. Our FE4 / FE5 sway bars are solid. The front is 27mm and adjustable. The rears are 32mm. Our bar sets are sold with high efficiency OEM quiet front end-links and fixed position drop- links. How do they perform, do you really need to ask? The owner of this Camaro is a law enforcement professional with countless hours of driver training. His professional opinion -- 'Holy shit, man! The front HOOKED not even CLOSE to breaking traction and the back end stayed right with it. I mean....when the car turns, it TURNS.'

Our FE4 / 5 rear sway bars can be retro fit to any 5th Gen Camaro. The new Camaro rear lower control arms have the 'old' style close to the differential endlink mounting tabs and the 'new' close to the knuckle mounting hole. This is a smart choice by Chevrolet as one coomon part number can be used on all versions of the 5th Gen Camaro. The new OE lower rear control arms are inexpensive.

Why did Chevrolet make the change in rear sway bar geometry and size? To make the 5th Gen handle better. From day one of the 5th Gen the bias of the car has been heavy on understeer. This is a function of weight distribution, wheel base, track, wheel and tire size and of course sway bar strength. The FE4 addresses both with improved rear sway bar geometry and sway bar strength. The old bars were hollow. The new bars are solid, the material is stronger. The old bars were almost the same diameter (strength) front and rear. The new FE4 rear bar is 1mm larger than the front. It doesn't sound like much, but coupled with the increase in efficiency of the new outboard mounting position it is a big difference. The FE4 Camaro is far more balanced that the FE3 SS. It is more neutral and handles better in the corners.

The new FE5 ZL1 takes this all on steroids. The front bar goes up in size to 25mm and the rear bar a huge jump to 28mm. Talk about balance from the factory

At Pedders, even great isn't good enough. We have been using a dumbed down rear alignment with a 32mm bar to reduce understeer and improve cornering. We set the rear camber to half the front camber or even less. The on track results were excellent. We feel we had a ZL1 two years ago with our Pedders USA Camaro. Now, there is a ZL1 so we have been hard at work with our partners at Lingenfelter on the L/28. When you next see the L/28 it will be running Pedders new FE4 / FE5 / ZL1 sway bars.

Here is the new rear bar complete with Pedders drop-link.



The new 32mm bar takes up space, but there are ZERO clearance issues.




To get the aggressive alignment we wanted Pedders Extended Range Rear Camber and Toe bolts are necessary. They increase the adjustment range by 1 degree or in layman's terms a lot. We achieve this result my moving the eccentric to the outer edge of the bolt. The eccentrics are cut on a water jet, assembled in a jig and welded. This is a time consuming process. To finish the bolts we have them cadmium plated.


Eccentrics have a bad habit of drifting under high loads. We address that with more material. We make our eccentrics out of stock that is much thicker than the OEM bolts. More material means more strength and improved holding power.



We use a thick 'holding' nut and a thin jam nut. Unlike quenched nuts, you can use these again and again.


FE4 / FE5 / ZL1 Track Alignment

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Caster: Max it out with Pedders Caster Eccentrics
Camber: -2.3 Do NOT run a strut tower bar, let the car work for you in the turns. If you have one, take it off
Toe: OUT .5

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Camber -2.5
Toe: IN .20

Pedders Full Camaro Alignment Kit is required.

Heath Bratcher, owner of American Muffler / Pedders in Fredericksburg Texas, Jimmy his lead Pedders Tech, myself and TAG UR IT


We'll have these bars available in about 60 days. I'll have confirmed dates for the initial production run in a day or two for the made in the USA Pedders FE4 / FE5 / ZL1 27mm adjustable front with high efficiency OEM quiet front endlinks and 32mm rear bar with drop-links kits as well as pricing.

Yes, we will have a retro-fit 32mm rear bar and drop links ONLY option for our clients that ready have our front bars.

Yes we will take pre-orders so you can be certain to start your driving season with the new FE4 / FE5 / ZL1 bars.

If you have a ZL1 on order, now would be the ideal time to order your Pedders upgraded sway bars.

If you drag race, you'll want to upgrade to Pedders FE4 / FE5 / ZL1 32mm rear bar with OEM Drop-links to improve control of the rear wheels and load distribution. Yes we will have a drag race kit.

Yes, Pedders Extended Range Alignment Bolts are IN Stock.

GM FE4 / ZL1 Style Rear Lower Control Arms -- The part numbers for the FE4 / ZL1 style arms are Left Arm 22786033 Right Arm 22786034 and carry Chevrolet MSRP of $108.00.



Will these bars fit a 2012 2SS/RS and what is the cost........................................
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Will these bars fit a 2012 2SS/RS and what is the cost........................................
They are a direct bolt in for the 2012. The bars are now in production. We'll have cost posted shortly, probably with a pre-order
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Old 01-31-2012, 02:59 PM   #59
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Power adders are in the future - supercharger or head cam package. I really don't race or auto-X but would like to regain some of the crispness my 2003 Z06 had in its steering but try to keep some of the civility of the stock ride of the camaro. I have small children. Is that even possible?
We cannot defy the laws of physics or the weight difference between the Vette and Camaro. However, we can bend them a bit

If you installed Pedders sub-frame and radius bush inserts, the new FE4 / ZL1 sway bars with a Pedders tight spec alignment you will be amazed at the difference in your 5th Gen.

The ZL1 that GM took to the ring ran much closer to the high end Vettes than most expected. It is my opinion that the same ZL1, with our sway bars, 19x10.5 wheels with Bridgestone RE-11 305/30/19/XL rubber would have been several seconds faster. Lower the ZL1 40mm front and 60mm rear, install our bushes and Supercars and the ZL1 is seconds faster again bringing it very close to the Vette at the toughest track in the world.

The Supercar coilovers are pricey, but they deliver a ride quality equal to or better than OE and with the right adjustments have you dialed in for track duty. We can make your 5th Gen close to your Vette at a price. The bushes and bars are a HUGE step forward and may be all you need. If you determine you need more, the foundation will have been set in place for additional upgrades.
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Old 01-31-2012, 10:17 PM   #60
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The part numbers for the FE4 / ZL1 style arms are Left Arm 22786033 Right Arm 22786034 and carry Chevrolet MSRP of $108.00.
...and only $75 at gmpartsgiant.
I just googled the part number, not a bad upgrade for $150.
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Old 01-31-2012, 10:35 PM   #61
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...and only $75 at gmpartsgiant.
I just googled the part number, not a bad upgrade for $150.
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Old 02-01-2012, 02:43 AM   #62
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The 32mm / Solution C does reduce change the bias / balance of the 5th Gen. The new 32mm even more so.

You have reduced you rear camber to reduce understeer ad that is good. You'll find that pulling the rear toe IN between .10 and .20 will increase stability. Change your front toe to ZERO and that will improve your turn in.

Add the 12 arms and new 32 and we can increase the rear camber to improve cornering while still having great front to rear balance. We are working on a turn key 2010 /2011 package that will include the '12 arms along with Pedders FE4 / ZL1 32mm rear bar and drop links.

You will love the result.
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Pete, please put me down for your turn-key rear FE4/ZL1 package as I already have your eccentrics installed, but can't turn up my rear camber (as you've noted). I'd like to be one of the first to try it out.
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Definitly subscribed to this thread!
Pete, please put me down for your turn-key rear FE4/ZL1 package as I already have your eccentrics installed, but can't turn up my rear camber (as you've noted). I'd like to be one of the first to try it out.
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FYI production of the FE4 / ZL1 bars is on schedule.
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Old 02-01-2012, 11:16 AM   #65
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Curious, I have a single part number for both the FE4/FE5 left and right lower control arms on the parts sheet that I have. Part #20942237. Parts #22786033 and #22786034 show as upper left and right control arms.
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Curious, I have a single part number for both the FE4/FE5 left and right lower control arms on the parts sheet that I have. Part #20942237. Parts #22786033 and #22786034 show as upper left and right control arms.
Damn.... Double checking with a GM Dealer right now!!!!
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Thanks & thanks, Pete!

Will you be offering them in black powder coat too? Yellow & Red is not on my list of color combos.
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Thanks & thanks, Pete!

Will you be offering them in black powder coat too? Yellow & Red is not on my list of color combos.
I hate to say this, but red powder coat is a great primer when sanded
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Curious, I have a single part number for both the FE4/FE5 left and right lower control arms on the parts sheet that I have. Part #20942237. Parts #22786033 and #22786034 show as upper left and right control arms.
great call

I double checked and some where along the line we got our part numbers and prices crossed.

UPPER Left and Right Rear Lower Control Arms #22786033 and #22786034

Rear Lower Control Arms #20942237 Chevrolet MSRP $53 Each
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Hey Pete, put me down for one of the kits when you get them together.
I have to at least keep my car up with Dan's even if he gets a lot more seat time than I do..
Well Mike... you can try to keep up with me....

Pete.. Make sure one of them spiffy bars have my name on it... along with the new eccentrics. That may give me the little extra I need to beat the Subaru's this autocross season..
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Those new LCAs can be used for both old and new style bars? For $53/ each retail, tempted to get them already.

When do you think the complete package(including LCAs) be available? Please PM pricing for complete package and without LCAs. Shipping to HI is a killer.

I probably can't install until late march or early April anyway.
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Those new LCAs can be used for both old and new style bars? For $53/ each retail, tempted to get them already.

When do you think the complete package(including LCAs) be available? Please PM pricing for complete package and without LCAs. Shipping to HI is a killer.

I probably can't install until late march or early April anyway.
Yes they will fit FE3 / FE4 / FE5 style sway bars. The arms have both mounting locations. This was a smart move by GM as one arm in inventory fits the complete build range of the 5th Gen starting with initial production in 2009
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