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Old 01-26-2012, 10:06 AM   #1
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1LE Polls

At fbodfather's behest, TWO polls have been created for feedback on the possibility of GM offering a 1LE. Please consider a visit to the two threads in the General Section...

1LE discussion and Poll #1: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197777

Poll #2: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197784

Thank you, sincerely.

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The 1LE was a concept we showed at SEMA -

Curious - what do each of you think about it?

The car, that is - not the calendar......

Should we build it?

We're listening!

Camaro 1LE Concept

Born in the Camaro’s third generation and refined further in the fourth generation as a road-racing performance package, the legendary 1LE option code designation returns to the Camaro as a concept intended to carve up road courses. While only a concept, it borrows production components from both the Camaro SS and forthcoming Camaro ZL1 to deliver a competition-ready package. Hash mark graphics on the front fender are pure Chevrolet racing cues, too.

Vehicle highlights:

■Victory Red exterior color, with flat black hood and hash mark extensions
■Satin black splitter, rocker panels, rear spoiler and outside mirrors
■Sport suspension featuring Magnetic Ride Control
■Electric power steering
■Six-speed manual close-ratio transmission
■Lightweight 20x10-inch (front) and 20x11-inch (rear) racing wheels (satin black)
■Goodyear® Eagle F1 Supercar G asymmetrical tires (from the ZL1)
■Brembo® six-piston front calipers, with two-piece front rotors, and four-piston rear calipers (Chevrolet Official Licensed Product)
■Dual exhaust outlets with ZL1-style active exhaust and diffuser
■Shock tower brace
■Chevrolet Accessories red engine cover
■Black leather interior with Light Stone stitching
■Graphite Silver door and instrument panel inserts
■ZL1 shifter with Light Stone stitching
■ZL1 flat-bottom steering wheel
■Chevrolet Accessories pedal kit
“The Camaro 1LE concept is all about the track,” said Al Oppenheiser, chief engineer for the Camaro. “It’s an all-out race car package that pays tribute to that special option from the past.”


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Old 01-26-2012, 09:20 PM   #2
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The one thing that concerns me is no power bump.... Then again Im not sure I NEED more power.
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The one thing that concerns me is no power bump.... Then again Im not sure I NEED more power.
I would question no power bump, what is the need for a 1LE or Z/28 if it's the same LS3 in the SS? Just make a "track pack" suspension, etc. option for the SS and call it a day. I think the 1LE or Z/28 needs it's own powerplant that is different than the SS, it needs to be a total package.
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Old 01-27-2012, 09:32 AM   #4
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Although NOT part of the "original poll plan", I simply included it in mine to gauge what reaction would be...and what GM might do about it...

One thing's for sure: if no one asks the question, in addition to the SEMA package, it ain't likely to happen...

BTW, in the "official words" of you-know-who, NO mention of the ZEE-words/numbers/letters
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Old 01-27-2012, 10:38 AM   #5
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Old 01-27-2012, 10:39 AM   #6
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:14 AM   #7
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I think the 1LE as is embodies the 1LE nameplate well. It is not what I would consider a Z28. However if they offered the 1LE as is with an LS7 I "would" consider it a Z28.
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If the aftermarket can make some stainless shorties (ARH) that are CARB-approved, why not GM? It's not like there's going to be a huge production run of these, so I suggest using them as a GMPP-supplier, add these to the GMPP catalog, and get these on 1LE. There's a little more power, and I think bringing the dual-inlet from ZL1 would allow a little more flow potential, too, so that may be a nice, relatively easy way to use the off-the-shelf parts and a specialty part to give LS3 a little more power.

I'd love to see 1LE, make the same power at the wheels as the Supervisor, and blow it's doors off with technology. I'd like for Chevy to show Ford what a good chassis handles like.
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Has everyone had a chance to participate? If not, please do...
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Old 02-01-2012, 10:17 AM   #10
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1LE-Z28

It's a great idea for those that can't afford a ZL1.
1- Ram air or different hood configuration
2- Solid color option
3 - Bump in power.
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Any feedback from Fbod regarding the 1LE?
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Only that he preferred a poll that was either YES or NO to a 1LE as listed/shown...adding "Options" was NOT a simple "plug 'n play" circumstance.
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So if I am understanding this we can have:

1SS/LS3 + MRC + MG9 + ZL1 Brakes/Wheels/Tires/Diff/Axles + 3.73 = 1LE

or nothing.

So I, like many others, was wasting my time saying exactly how I would build a 1LE/Z28. After reading the first ZL1 reviews I say build it! It is really growing on me.

I have all my LS3 bolt-on parts already so my 1LE will be close to 500 hp at the crank. My 1LE need not be afraid of the "Boss". And I will not have to mod the suspension to have fun at the track. And this car would hold it's value better than my modded SS. And it will have better brakes, and a stronger trans and diff.

Can I just make one tweak, pretty please? Can we get cool red inserts in the cloth seats and some logo stitching in the headrests? That would be all I would need.

Even though i love my sun roof, I can live without it. With my helmet on I have to hold my head to one side and it's very uncomfortable.
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I would question no power bump, what is the need for a 1LE or Z/28 if it's the same LS3 in the SS? Just make a "track pack" suspension, etc. option for the SS and call it a day. I think the 1LE or Z/28 needs it's own powerplant that is different than the SS, it needs to be a total package.
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I'm with you Clyde. I would ad that calling it a 1LE with the "goods" as described would be ok, but it's a no-go for sure calling it a Z-28 having the same parameters without a significant power bump or a dedicated engine other than the LS3.
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So if I am understanding this we can have:

1SS/LS3 + MRC + MG9 + ZL1 Brakes/Wheels/Tires/Diff/Axles + 3.73 = 1LE

or nothing.
Actually, as shown @ SEMA '11, this car is based essentially on a 2SS...Leather trim was present...

It was MY insertion of the 1SS to keep the initial price point down. Were I in a position of influence, I'd have the heated leather 'n such (essentially a 2SS-type option) as an OPTION.

Take a look at the Survey Results, remembering it is "Multiple Choice". NOT everyone wants the 2SS...not by a long shot... You have greater success building things the way folks hope to buy 'em, and the "jury" here is sayin' ONE ESS ESS...as a "starting" point, 3 : 1...and close to 50% want more "steam", either way...


OldScool, it would be suicidal to attach a certain ZEE badge to a vehicle that cannot hold its head up against the "obvious competition"...
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Yes a Z28 that can't best the boss, that sir is no Z28!
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Actually, as shown @ SEMA '11, this car is based essentially on a 2SS...Leather trim was present...

It was MY insertion of the 1SS to keep the initial price point down. Were I in a position of influence, I'd have the heated leather 'n such (essentially a 2SS-type option) as an OPTION.

Take a look at the Survey Results, remembering it is "Multiple Choice". NOT everyone wants the 2SS...not by a long shot... You have greater success building things the way folks hope to buy 'em, and the "jury" here is sayin' ONE ESS ESS...as a "starting" point, 3 : 1...and close to 50% want more "steam", either way...


OldScool, it would be suicidal to attach a certain ZEE badge to a vehicle that cannot hold its head up against the "obvious competition"...
...and that my friend goes without sayin.....WE NEED MORE POWER gab dummit!!!!!!!!! Or fughetaboutit....
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The thing is if we fixate on more power we may get nothing. A full bolton LS3 gets close to 500 HP or maybe a little more at the crank. I do not see a "Boss" running away from that. Besides that a "Boss" is very peaky and takes more skill to be faster. My thinking is that in the hands of two skilled drivers stock for stock the "Boss" may be a faster. We will not know until we see one. But in the hands of weekend warriors it will be a drivers race at a track day.

A 1SS 1LE will be an affordable Camaro with a world class suspension and a stronger rear and trans. A stroker, cammed, LS3 can be over 500 to the wheels. Who cares what the badge says. Build it.
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I say don't build the 1LE. Bring on the Z/28.
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A new poll. Vote up or down, no waffling. Maybe this one will decide.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200804
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I say don't build the 1LE. Bring on the Z/28.
They may just call it the Z28. Remember the original Z28 was nothing special in the power department. It was the balance that counted.
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They may just call it the Z28. Remember the original Z28 was nothing special in the power department. It was the balance that counted.


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They may just call it the Z28. Remember the original Z28 was nothing special in the power department. It was the balance that counted.
Well I would disagree with that statement, if the '67-'69 Z/28 had been equipped with the 350cid 295/300HP found in the SS, it would not have been the same vehicle. The higher revving 302 was a much different motor with very different characterstics than the 350.You can argue till the cows come home about the HP of the 302 vs the 350, what you can't argue about is the big difference in redline and max RPM.
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Bottom Line; the 1LE is a very good 1LE. Add the LS7 to the 1LE and it is a very good Z28.
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