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Old 02-05-2012, 09:11 AM   #15
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I would question no power bump, what is the need for a 1LE or Z/28 if it's the same LS3 in the SS? Just make a "track pack" suspension, etc. option for the SS and call it a day. I think the 1LE or Z/28 needs it's own powerplant that is different than the SS, it needs to be a total package.
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I'm with you Clyde. I would ad that calling it a 1LE with the "goods" as described would be ok, but it's a no-go for sure calling it a Z-28 having the same parameters without a significant power bump or a dedicated engine other than the LS3.
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:33 PM   #16
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So if I am understanding this we can have:

1SS/LS3 + MRC + MG9 + ZL1 Brakes/Wheels/Tires/Diff/Axles + 3.73 = 1LE

or nothing.
Actually, as shown @ SEMA '11, this car is based essentially on a 2SS...Leather trim was present...

It was MY insertion of the 1SS to keep the initial price point down. Were I in a position of influence, I'd have the heated leather 'n such (essentially a 2SS-type option) as an OPTION.

Take a look at the Survey Results, remembering it is "Multiple Choice". NOT everyone wants the 2SS...not by a long shot... You have greater success building things the way folks hope to buy 'em, and the "jury" here is sayin' ONE ESS ESS...as a "starting" point, 3 : 1...and close to 50% want more "steam", either way...


OldScool, it would be suicidal to attach a certain ZEE badge to a vehicle that cannot hold its head up against the "obvious competition"...
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:48 PM   #17
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Yes a Z28 that can't best the boss, that sir is no Z28!
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Old 02-05-2012, 07:57 PM   #18
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Actually, as shown @ SEMA '11, this car is based essentially on a 2SS...Leather trim was present...

It was MY insertion of the 1SS to keep the initial price point down. Were I in a position of influence, I'd have the heated leather 'n such (essentially a 2SS-type option) as an OPTION.

Take a look at the Survey Results, remembering it is "Multiple Choice". NOT everyone wants the 2SS...not by a long shot... You have greater success building things the way folks hope to buy 'em, and the "jury" here is sayin' ONE ESS ESS...as a "starting" point, 3 : 1...and close to 50% want more "steam", either way...


OldScool, it would be suicidal to attach a certain ZEE badge to a vehicle that cannot hold its head up against the "obvious competition"...
...and that my friend goes without sayin.....WE NEED MORE POWER gab dummit!!!!!!!!! Or fughetaboutit....
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:00 PM   #19
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The thing is if we fixate on more power we may get nothing. A full bolton LS3 gets close to 500 HP or maybe a little more at the crank. I do not see a "Boss" running away from that. Besides that a "Boss" is very peaky and takes more skill to be faster. My thinking is that in the hands of two skilled drivers stock for stock the "Boss" may be a faster. We will not know until we see one. But in the hands of weekend warriors it will be a drivers race at a track day.

A 1SS 1LE will be an affordable Camaro with a world class suspension and a stronger rear and trans. A stroker, cammed, LS3 can be over 500 to the wheels. Who cares what the badge says. Build it.
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:08 PM   #20
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I say don't build the 1LE. Bring on the Z/28.
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:28 PM   #21
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A new poll. Vote up or down, no waffling. Maybe this one will decide.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200804
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:31 PM   #22
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I say don't build the 1LE. Bring on the Z/28.
They may just call it the Z28. Remember the original Z28 was nothing special in the power department. It was the balance that counted.
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They may just call it the Z28. Remember the original Z28 was nothing special in the power department. It was the balance that counted.


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They may just call it the Z28. Remember the original Z28 was nothing special in the power department. It was the balance that counted.
Well I would disagree with that statement, if the '67-'69 Z/28 had been equipped with the 350cid 295/300HP found in the SS, it would not have been the same vehicle. The higher revving 302 was a much different motor with very different characterstics than the 350.You can argue till the cows come home about the HP of the 302 vs the 350, what you can't argue about is the big difference in redline and max RPM.
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Bottom Line; the 1LE is a very good 1LE. Add the LS7 to the 1LE and it is a very good Z28.
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Bottom Line; the 1LE is a very good 1LE. Add the LS7 to the 1LE and it is a very good Z28.
Minus MRC. I think GM needs to remember that it is illegal.
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^ I would think Pete could provide us with an easy enough change.
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^ I would think Pete could provide us with an easy enough change.
Think we should let Pete's stuff come standard and upgrade to MRC if one would like to.
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