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Old 02-02-2012, 02:00 PM   #1
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Why is the ZL1 so slow?

So far the times are:

12.1@117
12.3@119
12.6@116
12.6@114
12.9@113
13.06@113

avg time 12.59 at 115

Not impressed by this cars performance numbers. If it posted consistent 12.20's-12.30's then I would say otherwise. The GTR ran 11.2 at 125, but the zl1 ran 12.9 at 113. The time was spot for the GTR...why does the ZL1 time suck so bad? Ive been steady looking at purchasing this car but these reviews are steering me away quickly...Its a win in every other category except performance. Al O. seemed a little too confident maybe...
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Quarter mile times are very dependent upon driver skills, especially with shifting.
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hmmm rwd car with summer grip tires at 45 degree's??????????

what more needs to be said.

If all you car about is quarter mile though I would not buy a ZL1. your spending 10k on roard racing technology to drive strait.

In the same artical it laps really well. that is what you are paying for.


If you have ever driving high HP cars 400whp plus you have to know you have to have traction to run good times. the tires on this car will not hook up well at 45 degree's.
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Perhaps it was because the temperature was low. Perhaps the test drivers of the rag' are do not drive like many of us enthusiasts might (i.e. powershift, heat the tires up, etc.). There are a lot of unknowns in the way they test.

If I may make a recommendation: wait until a magazine like CHP, GMHTP, and SC start posting drag strip times. These are know publications to make great efforts to produce high numbers. When I see someone like Evan Smith post a time in ZL1 - I know I can take that number to the bank. This side of him, Scott Parker, or a couple others from those magazines, I don't lend them too much credit to acceleration tests. Some of the other rags' go so far as to say they DON'T powershift or even prep' the track. That's fine for some, but not me.
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Old 02-02-2012, 02:09 PM   #5
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hmmm rwd car with summer grip tires at 45 degree's??????????

what more needs to be said.

If all you car about is quarter mile though I would not buy a ZL1. your spending 10k on roard racing technology to drive strait.

In the same artical it laps really well. that is what you are paying for.
pictures from the article show the temp indicator in the GTR to show 65 degrees. All I am saying is this car is not performing up to the standards that chevy and Al O. have claimed.
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You're also comparing an AWD car to a RWD car, and let's not even get into weight....

And, as was mentioned, it also has a lot to do with track conditions and driver ability.

If you're planning to buy the car (any stock car for that matter) just for 1/4 mile times, you're always going to find faster and you probably won't be happy unless you're driving a Veyron.
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Old 02-02-2012, 02:12 PM   #7
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Perhaps it was because the temperature was low. Perhaps the test drivers of the rag' are do not drive like many of us enthusiasts might (i.e. powershift, heat the tires up, etc.). There are a lot of unknowns in the way they test.

If I may make a recommendation: wait until a magazine like CHP, GMHTP, and SC start posting drag strip times. These are know publications to make great efforts to produce high numbers. When I see someone like Evan Smith post a time in ZL1 - I know I can take that number to the bank. This side of him, Scott Parker, or a couple others from those magazines, I don't lend them too much credit to acceleration tests. Some of the other rags' go so far as to say they DON'T powershift or even prep' the track. That's fine for some, but not me.
I agree, but what I cant understand is how chevy would allow these numbers to come out when there is so much press surrounding the "baddest" camaro released. I love the car and think it is drop dead gorgeous but man these numbers are starting to make me worry. Those are 2010 GT500 times...
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pictures from the article show the temp indicator in the GTR to show 65 degrees. All I am saying is this car is not performing up to the standards that chevy and Al O. have claimed.
I think that's the point they're trying to make. The weather conditions in the GTR test were probably more favorable for traction, compared to 45 degrees when one of the mags tested the ZL1.

Unless you meant to say "the temperature indicator in the ZL1...."

Also, the slowest times were posted by an amateur who doesn't drag race at all. As outliers (results outside of a reasonable variation), you'd throw those results out if you were a statistician.
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pictures from the article show the temp indicator in the GTR to show 65 degrees. All I am saying is this car is not performing up to the standards that chevy and Al O. have claimed.
And if you read the comments at the end of the article, you can see the statement about the temperature being low...

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I agree, but what I cant understand is how chevy would allow these numbers to come out when there is so much press surrounding the "baddest" camaro released. I love the car and think it is drop dead gorgeous but man these numbers are starting to make me worry. Those are 2010 GT500 times...
You get worked up over nothing yet. Read the reviews completely. If Ford's response to ZL1 is to outmatch it, then believe GM will fire back. It's no different than in the past.

Making blanket comments this early is just premature.
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Guys....lets not get delusional...low temps are bad for grip but GOOD for hp which is why everybody gets their fastest time are the drag strip from september to november....as the trap speed of the gtr shows (125mph)...113mph is unacceptable....no traction cause slower times but the car should have trapped the highest in these kind of temps...
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You're also comparing an AWD car to a RWD car, and let's not even get into weight....

And, as was mentioned, it also has a lot to do with track conditions and driver ability.

If you're planning to buy the car (any stock car for that matter) just for 1/4 mile times, you're always going to find faster and you probably won't be happy unless you're driving a Veyron.
Im comparing times that are consistently getting worse. Im not bashing the ZL1. Im just wondering if these arent performing up to the hype they are made out to be.
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Guys....lets not get delusional...low temps are bad for grip but GOOD for hp which is why is why everybody gets their fastest time are the drag strip from september to november....as the trap speed of the gtr shows (125mph)...113mph is unacceptable....no traction cause slower times but the car should have trapped the highest in these kind of temps...
LOL! Because it was easier for my Mickey Thompson ET Streets to hook-up on a 35* track, LOL...
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Im comparing times that are consistently getting worse. Im not bashing the ZL1. Im just wondering if these arent performing up to the hype they are made out to be.
I would ask you to reserve your judgement until conditions are a little more forgiving. Cooler temps' mean denser and more power, but that does no good if the tires aren't up to temperature. Wait for conditions in the mid-70s, and then start worrying if the numbers don't impress you.
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Trap speed will tell you what kind of power a car is making. 115mph avg trap speed is no good.
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pictures from the article show the temp indicator in the GTR to show 65 degrees. All I am saying is this car is not performing up to the standards that chevy and Al O. have claimed.

you don't kow when that picture was taken.

In the PDF and the artical it say outside temp was 45 degrees.


If outside temp is 45 degrees your not going to have 65 degree pavement.

I take you have never driven on tires like this before. Once you do you will look at something like this and go why did they bother running quarter mile.

that is why you see the numbers vary from 12.1 to 13.0. these people don't have alot of seat time or comon sence to either change the tires or go to the acceration tests in a different place. if the gtr was not awd it would have had the same issue.
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Trap speed will tell you what kind of power a car is making. 115mph avg trap speed is no good.
And if the reviewer is not trying to accelerate the car to it's potential, that's not representative either.
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